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To: wagglebee
Try to stay focused, this thread is about the misguided notion that the Catholic Church wants to bring back the Holy Roman Empire. Which is an incredibly absurd premise for anyone who knows anything about history because the TRUTH is that the Catholic Church and the Holy Roman Empire had an incredibly antagonistic relationship with each other for centuries.

The Syllabus of errors claims the abolition of the Papal States is an ERROR!! Pope Pius IX, acting as a mouthpiece for his general, said that the abolition of the Papal States was an error: 76. The abolition of the temporal power of which the Apostolic See is possessed would contribute in the greatest degree to the liberty and prosperity of the Church. —Allocutions "Quibus quantisque," April 20, 1849, "Si semper antea," May 20, 1850. (Condemned as error).

Separation of church and State condemned!!

One of the deadliest doctrines of Rome is that church and state should be UNITED with the Pope ruling over the state:

"55. The Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church. —Allocution "Acerbissimum," Sept. 27, 1852." (Condemned as error).

St. Paul, when instructing the Christians at Rome about their relationship to the state, said this:

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same. (Romans 13:1-3).

The Vatican gets around this admonition to obey the government by claiming that the Pope is actually Christ or God on earth....Since God is Supreme over all the universe, they reason that mere earthly rulers or governments must obey this Papal "god" on earth and be subject to Him in everything!!

2,298 posted on 09/08/2010 10:14:59 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: bkaycee
The Vatican gets around this admonition to obey the government by claiming that the Pope is actually Christ or God on earth....Since God is Supreme over all the universe, they reason that mere earthly rulers or governments must obey this Papal "god" on earth and be subject to Him in everything!!

Well, that's one (erroneous) way of interpreting that.

2,302 posted on 09/08/2010 10:17:07 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: bkaycee; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; Campion; don-o; Mrs. Don-o; ...
The Syllabus of errors claims the abolition of the Papal States is an ERROR!! Pope Pius IX, acting as a mouthpiece for his general, said that the abolition of the Papal States was an error: 76. The abolition of the temporal power of which the Apostolic See is possessed would contribute in the greatest degree to the liberty and prosperity of the Church. —Allocutions "Quibus quantisque," April 20, 1849, "Si semper antea," May 20, 1850.

Fascinating, but the Papal States had NOTHING to do with the Holy Roman Empire.

Separation of church and State condemned!!

Separation of Church and state is a LEFTIST belief. It is the notion that Christian moral teachings should have no place in the making of laws -- it has NOTHING to do with the Catholic Church trying to force Catholicism on non-Catholics. If you don't believe me, look around at what groups are always pushing "separation of Church and state" as their slogan.

Nevertheless, thank you for demonstrating my point. Above all all this thread has shown how otherwise intelligent people can be so easily duped by the evil agenda of an atheist so long as that atheist uses a few catch phrases.

2,314 posted on 09/08/2010 10:27:21 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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