Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
If they weren't written down, deduced from Scripture, or were contrary to Scripture they are useless.
Scripture is not to be supplanted by the imagination of man.
2 TIMOTHY 3:
16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Sometimes this is just too easy. How can you claim that Catholics "cannot decide for themselves" what Scripture says and must rely on what the Church tells them it says and then complain that there is no instrument by which to instruct Catholics? How also can you boast that Protestants are independent free thinkers and have an indwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide their interpretations and then claim that they have the official commentaries to prove it? Even you have to admit that is a pretty convoluted scenario to not ridicule.
Grow up. This thread veered from the original topic almost immediately. That is the nature of threads on FR.
What do YOU think this young woman's reaction would be? Would she say, "How can this be, I've never had sex?" No, because she would assume that the future event you were talking about would happen AFTER she married, she and her husband would have intercourse and conceive a child. The expected response from the young woman would be one of excitement, maybe a little apprehension, but mainly excitement and joy.
The Blessed Virgin Mary's response in Luke 1:34 ONLY makes sense if she NEVER INTENDED to have intercourse.
No, but the anecdotal stories of hateful Protestants and their equally ignorant Preachers is very cute.
Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead [their] dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jer 44:25 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.
Jer 44:26 Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the LORD, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord GOD liveth.
Jer 44:27 Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that [are] in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.
the 'queen of heaven is one of the pagan gods that Israel went after
"The Virgin [Mary] was given the title Queen of Heaven and is depicted wearing a blue robe decorated with stars and standing on a crescent Moon. This image is almost identical to pagan representations of the goddess of love Ishtar who was worshipped by the Babylonians."
-(Michael Howard, The Occult Conspiracy: The Power of Secret Societies in World History [NY, NY: MFJ Books, 1989], p. 22).
Mark I will add your job need to my prayer list.. I hope one comes soon ( one with good access to Fr :)
I wonder if somebody "accidentally" pressed the Abuse key.
I don't recall asking you for any advice.
This thread veered from the original topic almost immediately. That is the nature of threads on FR.
So? I decided to veer back.
Tell you what though, let's veer again shall we. ALL of the Catholics and ALMOST all of the Protestants on this thread believe, as a matter of faith, in the Holy Trinity. You deny the Holy Trinity, so why don't we just talk about that.
What sect do you belong to that denies the Trinity?
Do you also deny that Jesus Christ is God? If you DO believe He is God, are you a polytheist?
Was just listening to Offspring again! :-)
Irony is lost sometimes.
Isn't Gill your "Official Inspired commentary"?
Please pay attention. I labelled it as a DELIBERATELY STUPID comment. Compare and contrast this to the post I was commenting on.
The pagan king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, is called the king of kings by Daniel (Dn 2:37), yet this doesn’t preclude Jesus from being called by the same title (Rv 17:14; 19:16), does it? Also, the Emperor of Persia was called the Shahenshah or King of Kings — is it wrong to call Jesus that term then?
Please pay attention. I labelled it as a DELIBERATELY STUPID comment. Compare and contrast this to the post I was commenting on.
At least a discussion of the trinity doctrine would be a subject worthy of discussion, something (hopefully) beyond,
“So are you, only more so!!!”
I fail to see that as anything other than an attempt to tarnish the Church and Mary by a forced linkage to something non-Christian. Stories of Great Floods in Mesopotamia do not invalidate the Noah story. The alleged virgin birth of Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha) in 563 BC do not invalidate Christs virgin birth.
Nobody is saying that she needs to be a nobody and nobody is *threatened by her*. That’s no different that the liberal rhetoric tactic of calling others who disagree with you *haters*.
Grow up.
What we’re saying is that the attributes the Catholic church inflicts on her are unscriptural.
She was not perpetually a virgin, she was not immaculately conceived, she was not assumed into heaven. Not one of those things has any Scriptural support. She should not have statues made of her, placed in front of the church, have candles lit to and she should not be prayed to. The only one we are commanded to pray to is God the Father. People who have died and gone to heaven are not God and do not have the power or authority to answer prayer.
Our objection is the fantasy’s attached to her person and taught as truth.
Actually that is MY question to Catholics.. How can Catholics say that the church is the "pillar and ground" of the truth and Scripture is never of private interpretation , that only one that can interpret scripture, when they have actually only interpreted a few verses? Glad we are on the same page here
How also can you boast that Protestants are independent free thinkers and have an indwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide their interpretations and then claim that they have the official commentaries to prove it?
Have I ever said that I am an independent "free thinker"? The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin and leads us to Christ.. One of the marks of one regenerated by the Holy Spirit is a passion for the word of God.. The scriptures hold plain truths that show us who God is,who Christ is and is fully sufficient for growing in Christ and training..
I love when I read scripture and I have an ahh haaa moment when I understand why Christ did that or an OT type for the first time.. dont you love that too?
Commentaries are the work of Scholars, that explain the historic settings, word meanings, history etc.. they do not pretend to be infallible, but observations on the scriptures..only God can make them live in you
John 21:24-25
24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
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Big deal. that doesn’t give anyone license to make up stuff, claim it happened and then say that since the Bible doesn’t say it didn’t happen, we can assume it did.
What fallacious um,... reasoning.
At that point, then why would Catholics say that what Joseph Smith claimed, was wrong?
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