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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; editor-surveyor

you seem to be preoccupied with young girls making vows of virginity. Well it wasn’t done in Jewish culture, one reason was that each wanted to give birth to the Messiah. Also culturally, women could not usually survive without a husband or father. And as Jews put a high value on men having children, a widow often married her husband’s brother.


9,541 posted on 10/08/2010 11:39:03 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"We've been through this kind of lying before."

Unfortunately, yes we have. We all know who has an extensive history of lying and have the posting histories to prove it, don't we.

Flee from it.

9,542 posted on 10/08/2010 11:41:08 AM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; editor-surveyor

I see, so the bible we use and quote is Satanic? or the people quoting the bible are satanic? What are you getting at. Or the bible is just worthless, especially the Paul parts?


9,543 posted on 10/08/2010 11:42:10 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: editor-surveyor; mas cerveza por favor; metmom; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; ...
Show us a reference of Hebrew girls taking a vow of virginity.

Numbers, chapter 30. It's not my problem if the words exceed the limits of YOPIOS.

Assuming such happened is counter-intuitive. It defies human nature.

Yes, I would agree that putting God before human nature is counter-intuitive, that's why the pledge is made to God so He can help.

A vow of virginity was a pagan act of a woman bonding herself to an idol, and none of them ever remained virgin; they were temple prostitutes.

Yes, and the pagans all had their virgin birth myths as well. That's how Christianity is different, with God ALL things are possible, HE is the difference.

9,544 posted on 10/08/2010 11:43:09 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; 1000 silverlings; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; ...
Exactly, the Resurrection is the most important act in history. Mary wasn’t even at the last supper.

Where does the Bible say this?

She WAS at the Crucifixion when ten of the Disciples weren't.

NOBODY was at the Resurrection.

Who was at the Last Supper?

Mark 14:
16 The disciples then went off, entered the city, and found it just as he had told them; and they prepared the Passover.
17 When it was evening, he came with the Twelve.
18 5 And as they reclined at table and were eating, Jesus said, "Amen, I say to you, one of you will betray me, one who is eating with me."

The Apostles only

She WAS at the Crucifixion when ten of the Disciples weren't.

Don't get carried away with who was where and when who was where. After all it was Mary Magdalene who Jesus first appeared to after His ressurection while Scripture remains silent concerning His mother.

NOBODY was at the Resurrection.

Scripture is silent on this subject. Scripture is also silent on Mary, his mother. Does that mean her entire story had been told?

9,545 posted on 10/08/2010 11:44:13 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Al Hitan
Aren't they predestined?

No one is saved until the gospel is presented and they repent and believe ... and we are told to go and tell...

9,546 posted on 10/08/2010 11:44:34 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: wagglebee; 1000 silverlings; metmom; Quix; RnMomof7
I trust if my posts break the rules they'll be deleted.

Roman Catholic apologists often rewrite other people's comments to say something that was never said or written.

There is no Scriptural support for Mary's continuing virginity after Christ was born; for her sinless life; for her bodily assumption into heaven; for her repeated reappearances on earth; for her "intact hymen after childbirth;" nor for her blasphemous titles of "co-mediator" and "co-redeemer."

Christ's virgin birth was documented in the Bible. It is true. Sadly, Christ's virgin birth is not sufficient for Rome. Rome requires magic to supplement the glorious supernatural truth of Christ's birth by a simple Jewish virgin and the Holy Spirit.

And magic lies.

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.." -- Rev. 22:13-15


9,547 posted on 10/08/2010 11:45:37 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg

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“We all know who has an extensive history of lying and have the posting histories to prove it, don’t we”

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I have to assume that you mean yourself.
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9,548 posted on 10/08/2010 11:45:47 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Legatus; OLD REGGIE; Dr. Eckleburg; editor-surveyor
The local radio preacher who keeps telling everyone that Catholics are idol worshiping heathens

like Reggie, I know a guy who knows someone who knows everything and he knows a guy who had a sister who actually heard this. It was in--- you guessed it! Loosiana, gator killing country! Or maybe not.

9,549 posted on 10/08/2010 11:45:47 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings; wagglebee

John 21:24-25
24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

Juan 21:24-25 (La Biblia de las Américas)
24Este es el discípulo que da testimonio de estas cosas y el que escribió esto, y sabemos que su testimonio es verdadero.

25Y hay también muchas otras cosas que Jesús hizo, que si se escribieran* en detalle, pienso que ni aun el mundo mismo podría* contener los libros que se escribirían*.

Jean 21:24-25 (La Bible du Semeur)
24 C’est ce même disciple qui rapporte ces faits et qui les a écrits. Nous savons que son témoignage est vrai.

25 Jésus a accompli encore bien d’autres choses. Si on voulait les raconter une à une, je pense que le monde entier ne suffirait pas pour contenir tous les livres qu’il faudrait écrire.

Johannes 21:24-25 (Svenska 1917)
24Det är den lärjungen som vittnar om detta, och som har skrivit detta; och vi veta att hans vittnesbörd är sant.

25Ännu mycket annat var det som Jesus gjorde; och om allt detta skulle uppskrivas, det ena med det andra, så tror jag att icke ens hela världen skulle kunna rymma de böcker som då bleve skrivna.


9,550 posted on 10/08/2010 11:46:33 AM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: Jaded

lol. Your two-word rebuttal is noted and dismissed for lack of evidence.


9,551 posted on 10/08/2010 11:47:57 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 1000 silverlings

lol. Inbred, of course.


9,552 posted on 10/08/2010 11:48:50 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Natural Law

One must wonder about the roots of the hatred. Moral issues?


9,553 posted on 10/08/2010 11:48:50 AM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: wagglebee; editor-surveyor; Dr. Eckleburg
Numbers, chapter 30. It's not my problem if the words exceed the limits of YOPIOS.

it exceeds your OPIOS though, as the Jewish commentary in my Torah so neatly explains a neder. And by the way, this is OT, the only thing generally accepted in the OT by Catholics is a verse here and there they can say is all about Mary. And as ES has stated, there is nothing in there about anybody's perpetual virginity. Your OPIOS is not even close

9,554 posted on 10/08/2010 11:50:21 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; ...
I trust if my posts break the rules they'll be deleted.

Well guess what, it was.

There is no Scriptural support for Mary's continuing virginity after Christ was born; for her sinless life; for her bodily assumption into heaven; for her repeated reappearances on earth; for her "intact hymen after childbirth;" nor for her blasphemous titles of "co-mediator" and "co-redeemer."

Don't confuse Scriptural support with personal beliefs. As I pointed out earlier, from the viewpoint of a Jew there is no Scriptural support for Christianity.

9,555 posted on 10/08/2010 11:50:33 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; 1000 silverlings; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; ...
Where is this found,

What vows of chastity among Jews? They can be found right here (just a warning, you might not like it because it speaks DIRECTLY about vows continuing EVEN DURING MARRIAGE):

Numbers, Chapter 30

Now let's find a counterpart of that vow concerning Mary and Joseph. Surely that would have been considered worthy of inclusion in Scripture.

9,556 posted on 10/08/2010 11:50:59 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Legatus
If Roman Catholics don't want people thinking they are liberal-loving socialists, they should stop agreeing with liberal-loving socialists and voting for them.

A good place to start would be for "conservative" Roman Catholics to denounce Ratzinger's "global authority" encyclical which was pure communism gussied up in the sequins and spandex of Miss America "world peace" platitudes.

9,557 posted on 10/08/2010 11:52:55 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg

well then explain why so many Jews have converted to Christianity


9,558 posted on 10/08/2010 11:53:16 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee

More than we know.


9,559 posted on 10/08/2010 11:53:37 AM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"There is no Scriptural support for Mary's continuing virginity after Christ was born;"

The major contradiction that you epitomize is that on one hand you state that all proof must be scriptural leaving no room for Tradition and then on the other hand you offer up the interpretations and confabulations of Calvin and Spurgeon and try to pretend that they are something other than a Reformist tradition.

9,560 posted on 10/08/2010 11:55:46 AM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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