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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: editor-surveyor; Natural Law
His posts do have a definite “Bawney Fwank” flavor to them...

Really? REALLY? THAT'S where you're going?

Oh, and if you're going to suggest someone is gay perhaps the use of the word "flavor" is a mistake. Saying "This tastes gay" is a bad idea.

9,301 posted on 10/07/2010 1:29:18 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Legatus

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The dog that yelps...
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9,302 posted on 10/07/2010 1:36:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: RnMomof7
The word blessed mean blessed ..not BLESSE---ED .

Yeah. OK, got it: there are not three Es in Blessed.

But we know from Calvin that blessed doesn't mean blessed here, it means "happy."

9,303 posted on 10/07/2010 1:44:04 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: wagglebee; RnMomof7; MarkBsnr
Marks question concerned my statement concerning the pain and suffering of Jesus on the cross.

AND the statement that Christ was not yet with the Father.

AND according to Scripture.

John 20:17 Jesus said to her, "Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

If you wish to quibble with "not yet with" and "not yet ascended to" quibble with someone else.

If you pay attention to the post in question you'll note that I said nothing concerning Trinity.

Perhaps not directly.


Not directly nor indirectly. I said nothing concerning the Trinity.

My statement was that the Catholic Church and mainstream Protestants have ALWAYS agreed on the Trinity and this is entirely true.

And I didn't take issue with that qualified statement.

As for your statement that Christians haven't always believed in the Trinity, I think it is more appropriate to say that Christians haven't always UNDERSTOOD the Trinity. Before the formulation, there was no rejection of it, it had simply not yet understood.

This is pure baloney. There was vigorous disagreement concerning the Trinity. What was the primary purpose of the Council Of Nicaea called by Constantine?

9,304 posted on 10/07/2010 1:46:06 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: MarkBsnr
By declaring personal salvation before your death, before Christ Judges you, you attempt to gainsay Him and to anticipate His Judgement. Wrong. I cannot say that I am saved because He has not yet Judged me. It is His Judgement that matters, not any human.

How sad, to go to your death not knowing your final end.. Perhaps that is why I saw so many Catholics die in fear.. hanging onto their rosary, that will never save. And Protestants die so well ..

Mark I know my eternal fate. I faced death a couple years ago, with peace. I love this life, and my family, I love the earth God created.. I was not anxious to leave it all, but I knew if that was the time God ordained I would be in His arms

I am so sorry that you can not share that assurance.

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God

Mark those that choose to live by the law and not grace will be judged by the law

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

9,305 posted on 10/07/2010 1:47:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
We honor the BLESSER (God) , not the blessed

Considering Calvinist theology, when your foundational view of humanity is Totally Depraved, "human being" would be an honor.

9,306 posted on 10/07/2010 1:50:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: annalex
Rome doesn’t spin. We read what’s written.

LOL The proplem is it is not read in context.. that is why there is no official Roman biblical commentary

9,307 posted on 10/07/2010 1:51:13 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Are you assured you were born saved? Saved in the womb?


9,308 posted on 10/07/2010 1:52:23 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Natural Law
The dog that yelps...

Doesn't bite?
or
Is the one you hit?
or
Before it's been hit by the stone?

OR
the dog that yelps with craving
grows quiet while it chews its food

Or
tastes gay?

I don't know, you're the one who smeared Natural Law and used the word "flavor" when referring to Barney Frank. Not a wise choice when calling someone gay.

9,309 posted on 10/07/2010 1:53:43 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; ...
Do you know whether Mary remained a virgin or that she was bodily assumed into heaven? How?
9,310 posted on 10/07/2010 1:57:44 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Legatus

Are you really trying that hard to look like an idiot?

Bawney (the ‘Queen’ of congress) is known for his long winded dirges on subjects for which he has zero knowledge.
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9,311 posted on 10/07/2010 1:58:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: OLD REGGIE; RnMomof7; MarkBsnr
If you wish to quibble with "not yet with" and "not yet ascended to" quibble with someone else.

If that is what you meant fine. Those of us who accept the Trinity understand the He and the Father have always been One, His Ascension doesn't change that fact.

This is pure baloney. There was vigorous disagreement concerning the Trinity. What was the primary purpose of the Council Of Nicaea called by Constantine?

As I said, there has been debate since the formula was developed, but not before then.

9,312 posted on 10/07/2010 2:01:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; D-fendr; Natural Law
Do you know whether Mary remained a virgin or that she was bodily assumed into heaven? How?

Yes, I know because I believe what the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church teaches. I am not tethered by the 16th century man-made invention of sola scriptura.

9,313 posted on 10/07/2010 2:04:19 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: editor-surveyor

Congratulations. Just when I thought the tone couldn’t go any lower..


9,314 posted on 10/07/2010 2:05:43 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: MarkBsnr; editor-surveyor
ES=Those that are earning it will never find it; it is a gift, and can only be thankfully received, not for sale at any price.
MB=I find this silly statement at odds with Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter and James. You may wish to try Matthew 25

This most likely deals with end time warnings

"Ver. 1. Then shall the kingdom of heaven,.... The Gospel church state either as it would be a little before the coming of the son of man to take vengeance on the Jews; or as it will be a little before his second coming to judgment: for the parable is manifestly connected with, and refers to the preceding chapter, which chiefly treats of Jerusalem's destruction: but though the Jews were in great security before their utter ruin, yet it does not appear that the Christian church was then in such a lukewarm, drowsy, and sleepy condition, as this parable represents; and since, in the latter part of the preceding chapter, there are some hints of Christ's second and last coming; when the servant found doing his Lord's will, will be greatly honoured, and the wicked, cruel, and licentious servant will be severely punished; and since, at the close of this and the following parable, there is a very lively description given of the last judgment; as also, because it appears elsewhere, that such will be the formal, lukewarm, cold, indifferent, secure, and sleepy state of the church, before the second coming of Christ: it seems right and best to understand this parable, and the following, as having respect to that: and that the design of it is to show, what will be the case of professors at that time; the difference between nominal and real Christians; how far persons may go in a profession of religion, and yet, at last, be shut out of heaven: as also the suddenness of Christ's coming; the necessity of being ready for it; and how watchful the saints should be, that they be not surprised with it. Now some time before this, the Gospel church state, or the body of professing Christians, will be likened unto ten virgins; to "virgins" for quality; being betrothed ones to Christ, at least in profession; and because of the singleness of their love, and chaste adherence to him, however, as they will declare, and which, in some of them, will be fact; and for their beauty, comeliness, and gay attire, being, as they will profess, clothed with the righteousness of Christ;
Gill commentary

9,315 posted on 10/07/2010 2:06:30 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Natural Law
Maybe its just a regional colloquialism, but around here "t'aint" is an anatomical reference that we probably don't want to discuss in this forum.

I'd call you a pig but this innocent old man had the same thought. :-)

9,316 posted on 10/07/2010 2:07:35 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: MarkBsnr
Actually, yes it does. At the moment of your death, will you believe in God? You cannot say that until then. And if you go back to the Greek, the word is condemned, not judged, I believe. I will ask Kosta to confirm. And if belief is required, then the process of purgatory will set in according the Judgement of deeds.

Scripture promises that the elect will not be deceived, and He will keep them secure

Point us at the purgatory scripture?

9,317 posted on 10/07/2010 2:09:03 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

And if you are deceived, turns out you weren’t elect to begin with.

Nice circle.


9,318 posted on 10/07/2010 2:11:22 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: stfassisi
Yes, reams of paper have been expended on the subject and I'm sure more will, however....The gold standard of our understanding is not the windy commentaries of Targums and rebs or the conjectures of Popes:

“Pius XII, Munificentissimus Deus, 1950: “We must remember especially that since the 2nd century, the Virgin Mary has been presented by the holy Fathers as the New Eve,......”

but the inspired apostles like Paul who wrote who that seed actually was in Galatians, Christ, and those who received adoption as heirs.

Where is Mary in all of this? Queen of Heaven, Redeemer, on a throne in heaven, spiritual mother, on and on endlessly?

Not there beyond what the Scriptures actually say of her.

9,319 posted on 10/07/2010 2:15:49 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: wagglebee; RnMomof7; MarkBsnr
As I said, there has been debate since the formula was developed, but not before then.

And, as I have said, this is pure baloney.

You chose not to answer why Constantine called The Council Of Nicaea. Why?

9,320 posted on 10/07/2010 2:23:07 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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