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To: wagglebee; RnMomof7; MarkBsnr
Marks question concerned my statement concerning the pain and suffering of Jesus on the cross.

AND the statement that Christ was not yet with the Father.

AND according to Scripture.

John 20:17 Jesus said to her, "Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

If you wish to quibble with "not yet with" and "not yet ascended to" quibble with someone else.

If you pay attention to the post in question you'll note that I said nothing concerning Trinity.

Perhaps not directly.


Not directly nor indirectly. I said nothing concerning the Trinity.

My statement was that the Catholic Church and mainstream Protestants have ALWAYS agreed on the Trinity and this is entirely true.

And I didn't take issue with that qualified statement.

As for your statement that Christians haven't always believed in the Trinity, I think it is more appropriate to say that Christians haven't always UNDERSTOOD the Trinity. Before the formulation, there was no rejection of it, it had simply not yet understood.

This is pure baloney. There was vigorous disagreement concerning the Trinity. What was the primary purpose of the Council Of Nicaea called by Constantine?

9,304 posted on 10/07/2010 1:46:06 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE; RnMomof7; MarkBsnr
If you wish to quibble with "not yet with" and "not yet ascended to" quibble with someone else.

If that is what you meant fine. Those of us who accept the Trinity understand the He and the Father have always been One, His Ascension doesn't change that fact.

This is pure baloney. There was vigorous disagreement concerning the Trinity. What was the primary purpose of the Council Of Nicaea called by Constantine?

As I said, there has been debate since the formula was developed, but not before then.

9,312 posted on 10/07/2010 2:01:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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