Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
And then again there are a few proven liars too. I've stopped pointing them out, refuting or otherwise engaging them because their lies are so very, very transparent (and we all know EXACTLY who I am talking about).
It increasingly appears that those of the rabid cliques who are most obsessive about demonstrating Olympic Class
bitterness, vengeance, rabidly hostile anger, resentment, cluelessness, ignorance, duplicity, hypocrisy, heresies, blasphemies and idolatries
have also made a RELIGIOUS RITUAL out of posting lies.
Fascinating . . . sociologically and psychologically.
Dreadful, theologically.
unmitigated UNBiblical arrogance! Displayed by the followers of Sister Aimee McPherson In The FourSquare Cult with their brothers in The Cult of Machen, the OrthoProsbotarians ?
 
ABSURD HILLARIOUS (YET PATHETIC) !FARCE! & BRAZENLY FALSE  ASSERTION! |
And since when have The FourSquare Pantecoastal quixotic cult sent out missionaries to MARS now?  |
When posting to me, please use your florid colors and silly fonts (or better yet, the juvenile dog image) so that I know that the post is devoid of value and likely demonically-influenced, and I can then pass it by without further ado.
Your cooperation in this matter is much appreciated.
Thank you,
sitetest
so then what exactly do you UNitarian UNiversalists believe in? Do you believe in the Trinity?
so then what exactly do you UNitarian UNiversalists believe in? Do you believe in the Trinity?
If you ask a Unitarian Universalist what they believe in, their mere reply will be "I believe in God". The Bible has a reply for such a little belief:Isn't it strange that we could have as bed-fellows one who does not believe in the Trinity and the divinity of Christ and the other who follows a group that has fake pastors and 'healers'?James 2:19-20 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"The Bible makes it clear that scant belief in only God ("Yeah, I believe there's a god") is useless in our Father's eternal plan of redemption. The Unitarian/ Universalist Association cannot be called, even by the greatest stretch of the imagination, either Christian or a Church
The UUA does not believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God.)
And MadDawg relied: Part of what makes this challenging is different ideas of what reason is and how it works. You seem to say that you know because you reasoned to a conclusion. So, naturally, though formally, the question that pops into my alleged head is "from what premises."
MD, yours is the same question that pops into my alleged head, too: "from what premises." It seems roamer_1 has faith in reason; i.e., that it produces valid conclusions. But it also seems roamer_1 is missing a subtle point: there are no valid conclusions that can be drawn from invalid premises, no matter how rigorous the application of reason and logical analysis. So I definitely agree with your statement, MD: "to evaluate a claim of knowledge, I need to be able to evaluate the reasoning process AND the premises." To which I might add: and the qualification of evidence used in the reasoning process.
Indeed as my dearest sister in Christ, Alamo-Girl wrote at Post #856, "I testify that if the Creation were not orderly we would not be able to understand it at all. There would be no basis for semiosis, i.e. signs or language." That is a major premise: that the universe is orderly, and therefore we are capable of understanding it.
A valuable insight from Viktor Goldschmidt into this very matter:
Our capacity to apprehend the outside world may be explained thus, that there are processes in our mind (microcosm) which are analogous to those in nature [macrocosm]. These psychological processes we call natural laws. — Goldschmidt as quoted by Ernst Levy, "The Pythagorean Concept of Measure."But A-G knows that the reason the universe has natural laws is because it rests on the Word of God, the Logos — Alpha to Omega. This is my most basic premise as well. For as A-G points out, a thing is true because God said it. ["Logos" is Greek for "word".]
So for me, reason is rooted in God's Logos or it is "unreasonable," irrational. And if the latter, it has no access to truth, nor ability to draw truthful conclusions about a natural world that is constantly changing, but changing in such a way that it does not depart from the natural laws that we see operating in nature, by which the creation is evidently ordered.
To say as much is a faith statement. But logic and reason have to have a foundation, a first and final premise (cause), in order to operate at all. As A-G pointed out at Post #710, for our statements to be fully rational, we must realize that the mathematical term "ratio" (the root of our English word "rational") "requires two, the standard [that does not change, the "denominator"] and the variable [which is subject to change in time, the "numerator", that which is being compared to the standard], and God is the standard that never changes."
Since logic and reason are universals themselves, their ground or foundation cannot be a product of operations in the finite, that is non-universal, contingent, ever-changing (within Limits) natural world. Thus we reason their source and ground must be divine: the Logos — God's Word of the Beginning. ["Logos" also carries other cognate meaning in Greek, such as "story," "truth," "design"....]
roamer_1 has "determined the Bible to be the Word of God." Though he didn't say how he determined this, he is absolutely correct about the "reasonable conclusion" to be drawn from this premise: "Therein is the truth, period."
Yet God gave us four Revelations of is Holy Word: The Revelation of Christ Jesus; the Revelation of His Holy Spirit with us; the Revelation of his Word, in history, using natural human languages (the Holy Scriptures); and the Revelation of the "Book of Nature," the ordered Creation itself. ALL of these Revelations cross-reference and mutually reinforce one another.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: — Romans 1:20It is because of the mutual cross-reference and reinforcement of this type of "evidence" — God's Four Revelations to us — and their amazing and wondrous harmonization that I have no doubt about His "existence" whatsover. Nor that He is the Creator of all things in heaven and on earth, and Creation's sustainer and final Judge. From first to last, always.The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. — Psalms 19:1–3
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. — Revelation 1:8
God is Truth. His Name is I AM.
Anyhoot, just a few stray thoughts, dear brother in Christ, FWIW.
Thank you ever so much for your outstanding essay/post!
WELL PUT.
THX FOR THE PING.
Pentecostals often remain in Pentecostalism despite many misgivings for one simple reason: the healings. They may admit that many of the practices and teachings are unbiblical. They may confess that there is rampant abuse and manipulation. But they shake off the doubts because they have seen so many supernatural events--people stand up out of wheelchairs, back pain healed, etc. And so they wonder, "If this is really so bad, why are so many people being healed? Isn't it all worth it if sick people are being restored to health?"However, Pentecostal church services are all about showmanship and appearance. It is surprisingly easy to fake healings, even to hold entire healing services in which people appear to be 'healed' all over the church and yet no one is really cured. How is this accomplished? The trick is usually, as Miracle Max said in the quote above, to focus on problems which can be resolved some way other than strictly supernaturally, to learn to 'heal' those who are only partly ill or can be made to seem well when they are not.Let's examine some of the most common 'healing' tricks in the Pentecostal experience:(a) Bigfoot Sightings. Perhaps the largest category of fake healings is what I call "Bigfoot Sightings", because, like the mythical Bigfoot, all that is known about these healings is that somebody else swears that they saw them and that they are real.(b) "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" Occasionally, 'healings' are fakes, plain and simple. Many evangelists believe that seeing people apparently get healed raises the level of faith of the parishioners and so opens the door for real healings. They use this as an excuse to orchestrate healing shows that are planned in advance simply to shock and amaze the crowd.(c) MOSTLY disabled or ALL disabled? One of the most obvious and most popular techniques used by faith healers is based upon a popular misunderstanding of disabilities. When someone is in a wheelchair, people tend to assume that the person cannot walk AT ALL. This is rarely the case. Most people in wheelchairs can stand and even walk a little, just not far and not well. Likewise, when a person is said to be blind or deaf, people tend to assume that the person cannot see or hear AT ALL. Again, this is rarely the case. Most blind people can see a little, just not very well, and most people who are 'deaf' are really only partially deaf.
Why exactly do you believe these?
STILL REIGN WITHIN SOME Rabid Calvinist and FourSquare Ahoy Pent-c-coastal NOGGINS! WHAT AN UNsurprise! THAT THERE COULD BE SOME SLIGHTLY IMPROVED REALITY TESTING ON THE PART OF THE FOLKS IN THE RABID CLIQUES: |
Isn’t it strange that we could have as bed-fellows one who does not believe in the Trinity and the divinity of Christ and the other who follows a group that has fake pastors and ‘healers’? At least the latter FourSquare quixotic dude believes in the Trinity.
Not strange at all when one considers that the ONLY thing on which the thousands of disparate Protestant factions, denominations and cults universally concur is their opposition or "protestation" of the Catholic Church. It is more than a belief system, it is the core of their identity. The believe that any agreement with "Rome" diminishes their significance and relevancy.
1. If the Semple one and Judas Iscariot both committed suicide are Four Square cultists or secular humanistic agnostic types recently come out of the closet more likely to follow suit?
2.Do I need to wash my hands in sacramental waters after addressing one of their rants?
3. When speaking of miracles which will see the saving graces of Jesus and swim the Tiber and which ones will be consigned to the river Styx?
I pray for them to accept the words of the I AM and repent in the vein demanded by John the Baptist. God Bless.
If I recall correctly there was a very well known "Healing" Priest who had a reputation for "miraculous" healings.
I do remember there were so many lined up for "healing" that we were split into groups, only one of which would see the "Healing" Priest.
I was attended to by a "Healing" Nun and, once again relying on a long ago memory, I believe she "spoke in tongues" while praying over me.
It was a moving experience and though it had been many years since I had a connection with Catholicism, I felt no compuction to ridicule the Shrine, the Priest, the Nuns, or the individuals who had experienced "Healing".
The point is, I believe God heals who He will, where he will, and when He wills.
And yes, the recent rush to declare Saints in the Catholic Church, and the process involved in declaring "Miracles" as justification seems equally contrived to me.
Indeed, it is a mystery.
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