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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: 1000 silverlings
I wish I knew what you are talking about, but i dont

Thank you for stating the obvious, you've got a real knack for that.

9,101 posted on 10/06/2010 1:50:49 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 1000 silverlings; wagglebee

So predictable. The holy roller in question was a Roman Catholic not one of your ilk.


9,102 posted on 10/06/2010 2:17:18 PM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: metmom
Why was it necessary for Mary to have been sinless to conceive and carry Jesus?

When God Almighty comes down and spends nine months in your womb, you'd better be sinless. Think of the Ark of the Covenant, that God dwelt in. Rays of death came out and killed the enemies of the Israelites. What more would they have done to sinful flesh that He dwelt in for nine months?

The sin nature comes through the father. Physical contact with sinful people does not nor did not contaminate Jesus, otherwise He could not have touched sinners while here on earth.

His holiness is so powerful that sin can’t contaminate or over come it. It overcomes sin.

It's either one or the other, not both.

And what the heck does that have to do with the Trinity?

Who do people believe Jesus is, and what does that mean in terms of the bona fide Trinity?

9,103 posted on 10/06/2010 3:57:54 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: boatbums
Do either of you have a mirror? Because these words of yours do not sound like the love your neighbor type. Since I got lumped in with the "Reformed" crowd - yes, I admit I'm a OSAS (GASP!!!)- let me proclaim that I love others and treat them the way I would want to be. I try very, very hard to even love people the way Christ loves them. I do not sneer at unbelievers, I do not curse them or try to belittle them, I do not boast of my perfection because however much good I might have within me, it is all from the grace of God and not a drop is self-fabricated.

I understand where you are coming from, but consider this: Catholics believe that God is the final Judge; we cannot pin our salvation on ourselves before He does. If you pin salvation on yourself before He does, then you are obliging Him to agree with you. Correct?

We "Protestants", "Reformers" or whatever else label you prefer do not impose our will upon God for their own salvation and that statement itself makes no sense whatsoever. I am pretty sure, after all these posts, that you really don't believe it's true either but are trying to make a point.

The self identification of having personal salvation means exactly that.

9,104 posted on 10/06/2010 3:59:20 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: editor-surveyor
The words of a lost soul!

We know that. We're trying to find you .

9,105 posted on 10/06/2010 4:01:29 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

You’ll have to look in the body of Christ.

But you’ll have to relinquish your pagan legalism to even get close to it.


9,106 posted on 10/06/2010 4:22:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
When God Almighty comes down and spends nine months in your womb, you'd better be sinless. Think of the Ark of the Covenant, that God dwelt in. Rays of death came out and killed the enemies of the Israelites. What more would they have done to sinful flesh that He dwelt in for nine months?

Why? jesus came to be born INTO the human experience, not protected from it.. He came to eat and drink with winebibbers and tax collectors ..Christ came to walk the same dirty roads and get His feet soiled and cut just like his apostles..

His mother was responsible for His humanness , His DNA, His human nature.. The Father was the author of His divinity . He did not need a goddess mother to be God incarnate

BTW The ark of the covenant was Jesus not Mary, unless she is the judge of the world and needs a Mercy seat upon her.. Tha ark led the people into battle.. Mark the OT is all about CHRIST not His mother

His holiness is so powerful that sin can’t contaminate or over come it. It overcomes sin.

EXACTLY that is why Marys spiritual condition was of no consequence

He lived in this world, and was tempted as we are.. and ONLY He never sinned

9,107 posted on 10/06/2010 4:29:54 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: MarkBsnr; boatbums
I understand where you are coming from, but consider this: Catholics believe that God is the final Judge; we cannot pin our salvation on ourselves before He does. If you pin salvation on yourself before He does, then you are obliging Him to agree with you. Correct?

Correct, and that is what everyman that credits himself with being able to purchase his salvation by following church law, or the commandments or good deeds tries . They are attempting to be able to say to God, you owe me salvation based on MY MERITS . I am "better " than most people...It is an attempt to oblige God to save you

But the saved do not credit themselves with anything of value before God.. Like the publican we stand before God as sinners in need of a Savior.. We credit Christ, as the author and finisher of our faith.. we have no standing or merit before God EXCEPT IN CHRIST..who is our propitiation before God, who merited salvation for us by His work..not ours..

The self identification of having personal salvation means exactly that.

Mark let me ask you, why does God save men?

9,108 posted on 10/06/2010 4:59:56 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: metmom
Why was it necessary for Mary to have been sinless to conceive and carry Jesus?

When God Almighty comes down and spends nine months in your womb, you'd better be sinless. Think of the Ark of the Covenant, that God dwelt in. Rays of death came out and killed the enemies of the Israelites. What more would they have done to sinful flesh that He dwelt in for nine months?

The sin nature comes through the father. Physical contact with sinful people does not nor did not contaminate Jesus, otherwise He could not have touched sinners while here on earth.

His holiness is so powerful that sin can’t contaminate or over come it. It overcomes sin.

It's either one or the other, not both.

And what the heck does that have to do with the Trinity?

Who do people belive Jesus is, and what does that mean?

9,109 posted on 10/06/2010 5:00:11 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: count-your-change

I am interested in the scripture, not in the spin someone can put on the scripture.


9,110 posted on 10/06/2010 5:04:39 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: OLD REGGIE
All so-called dynamic translations are ways to spin the scripture in the direction the translator wishes to go, so they are all evil. There are solid Catholic translations though beside Douay. For example, the Revised Standard Version-Catholic Edition is good.
9,111 posted on 10/06/2010 5:10:51 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: wagglebee
I'm not going to feed this recent obsession that some on here have with what alter Christus means.

The phenomenon of Prods becoming fixed, for a thousand posts or so, on some aspect of the Catholic Church is well known to anyone who participates on these open threads.

The original topic of the thread doesn't matter, Prods will go off on their tangent until everyone is sick of it. A month later, they'll pick up each tangent again.

9,112 posted on 10/06/2010 5:24:53 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom

This was my reply to the same post you posted earlier

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=9107#9107


9,113 posted on 10/06/2010 5:32:46 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: annalex; count-your-change
I am interested in the scripture, not in the spin someone can put on the scripture.

Don't catholics have to accept Rome's "spin"

9,114 posted on 10/06/2010 5:34:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: smvoice
They are not about running a race to the end where we will be judged. Unless you want them to be. Which would be going about to establish your own righteousness, which is of the law.

This is not about me. It is about Paul telling us that we Christians are to run the race to the end, and it is primarily about Jesus telling us what happens at the end - which is the Judgement of Christ, not the assured salvation of the self elected elite.

9,115 posted on 10/06/2010 5:35:25 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: RnMomof7
Yes. And we were taught that a sinful unrepentant priest will suffer enternally all the more for it.

in purgatory?

A truly asinine statement. Have you any more?

9,116 posted on 10/06/2010 5:39:05 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; kosta50
I'm always to learn, or unlearn, any mistaken definition of words even when ridiculed by the Prince of Snark. (I recognize that the meaning of many words in the English language have changed since the ancient times - when I learned the language.)

And who may I ask have you conferred the title on - me or Kosta? Perhaps you can explain in what way the words "presence" and "person" have become synonyms.

Not sure what you mean - can you elaborate?

9,117 posted on 10/06/2010 5:41:21 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
Latin’s a dead language.

You might want to practice it for when you're dead.

9,118 posted on 10/06/2010 5:42:50 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Quix

You MUST visit the dental hygienist soon - there’s far too much yellowing of the teeth.


9,119 posted on 10/06/2010 5:44:42 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: editor-surveyor
You’ll have to look in the body of Christ.

I'm surrounded by it. Stand up and I'll see if I can see you. Wave, or something.

9,120 posted on 10/06/2010 5:47:48 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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