Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
To doubt is human, but it actually means that we don’t trust God and what He tells us about life and Himself in Scripture. Thomas learned that his doubt was foolish. Thomas believed.
That’s the path we all should be on — lessening in doubts and increasing in faith.
Where does it say that in scripture?
Provide a simple procedure to prove a negative whose results you would accept and I'll consider it. Prove to me that you are a rational human being first.
The RCC teaches that its priestcraft are made up of men who are an "alter Christus," "another Christ."
Blasphemy, no matter how Rome tries to spin it.
Which men do Catholics think have a right to create doctrine out of men's opinions?
Various popes. For 1800 years Mary was not said to have been assumed into heaven bodily. Then some pope gets it in his head to declare the "Assumption of Mary" as doctrine.
Christianity does not rely on fallible men for its doctrines. Christianity relies on God's word alone.
Where does it say that in scripture?
lol. Your question reveals a lot, Judith. Why not search the Scriptures yourself to see if that be so?
Exactly. We just interpret them differently and I guess will have to agree to disagree.
For the one millionth time, your marginal English skills and a link to an errant priest do not constitute Catholic dogma. The priests act in the place of Christ during the Mass, not unlike James Caviezel in The Passion of the Christ. No one believes he actually is Christ and no one says he is unless they are misinformed or lying.
What is "priestcraft"?
See, the definition of terms is so important...sometimes I think we are not speaking the same language. Nobody worships priests, they are men. Nobody worships humans, including the saints. Nobody thinks they are God, why do you say that?
For 1800 years, Catholics believed Mary was assumed into heaven. It wasn't formalized until Pope Pius XII. But way back in the very early church it was believed and taught.
If what you call Christianity relies on God's word alone, what if you disagree on interpretation or translation? How do you solve that?
Spot on quote. Thanks.
Reducing God to fit within a “system” results in such distortion.
“…Thus a Calvinist is a Catholic obsessed with the Catholic idea of the sovereignty of God. But when he makes it mean that God wishes particular people to be damned,we may say with all restraint that he has become a rather morbid Catholic.”
“”The Church of Constantine, now known as the Catholic Church, was, and is, a mixture of Paganism and Christianity.””
What nonsense!
The Church before Constantine held the same beliefs on Sacraments ,veneration of Saints,Mary,Mother Of God etc..
Just a few examples of early Church Fathers BEFORE Constantine
On Eucharist
“For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.” Justin Martyr, First Apology, 66 (c. A.D. 110
-165).
Infant Baptism
“For He came to save all through means of Himself—all, I say, who through Him are born again to God—infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 2,22:4 (A.D. 180).
Mary-Mother Of God
To all generations they [the prophets] have pictured forth the grandest subjects for contemplation and for action. Thus, too, they preached of the advent of God in the flesh to the world, His advent by the spotless and God-bearing(theotokos) Mary in the way of birth and growth, and the manner of His life andconversation with men, and His manifestation by baptism, and the new birth that was to be to all men, and the regeneration by the laver [of baptism]. St. Hippolytus -Discourse on the End of the World, 1 (AD 217)
Veneration of the Saints
“[T]hat it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole world (the blameless one for sinners), nor to worship any other. For Him indeed, as being the Son of God, we adore; but the martyrs, as disciples and followers of the Lord, we worthily love on account of their extraordinary affection towards their own King and Master, of whom may we also be made companions and fellow disciples! The centurion then, seeing the strife excited by the Jews, placed the body in the midst of the fire, and consumed it. Accordingly, we afterwards took up his bones, as being more precious than the most exquisite jewels, and more purified than gold, and deposited them in a fitting place, whither, being gathered together, as opportunity is allowed us, with joy and rejoicing, the Lord shall grant us to celebrate the anniversary of his martyrdom, both in memory of those who have already finished their course, and for the exercising and preparation of those yet to walk in their steps.” Martyrdom of Polycarp 17,18 (A.D. 157).
Mary Immaculate
“He was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle was exempt from putridity and corruption.” Hippolytus, Orations Inillud, Dominus pascit me (ante A.D. 235).
“This Virgin Mother of the Only-begotten of God, is called Mary, worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, one of the one.” Origen, Homily 1(A.D. 244).
According to book of Numbers the festivals, etc. were described and commanded by God.
“Also, a number of things on your list (without tracking down Newman’s footnoted source, I can’t tell to what extent he was paraphrasing from his source or writing his own opinion) came into the Church directly from Judaism:...”
To take just one example from the above says The Catholic Encyclopedia:
“We need not shrink from admitting that candles, like incense and lustral water, were commonly employed in pagan worship and in the rites paid to the dead. But the Church from a very early period took them into her service, just as she adopted many other things indifferent in themselves, which seemed proper to enhance the splendour of religious ceremonial.”
Unless the Encyclopedia is calling Judaism “pagan” then, no, these practices and such did not come from Judaism.
Catholicism is not Judaism with a Latin accent.
So what were they?
Calvinists and other assorted kooks and anti-Catholics typically just make something up, rant about how its the Catholic Church's fault, and then complain when they are not believed.....
Been there, done that.
Thank you, Judith and the other Catholic defenders of the Faith for keeping the kooks busy here allowing other threads to proceed unmolested.
It’s a task set before you, but I’m glad y’all do it!
What did she say? There is choice? I’m cornfuzed now.
The real heroes are Natural Law, Mark Bsnr, and maryz.
There was, surprisingly, no reply to that post. Can you believe it?
It certainly wasn't the Sisters of Mercy or God's word which created the dogma of The Bodily Assumption Of Mary.
Yes, I know. But did God get the idea of festivals from the pagans, who had them previously? OK, snarky question, but you could say that God sanctified the idea of festivals to Himself (much as, through His Church, He sanctified other things); oddly, a couple of the Jewish festivals correspond with the dates of the wheat harvest and the barley harvest, which assuredly were celebrated first. And the pagans still had festivals before the sanctified festivals of the OT.
And if the Jews didn't have candles, they used "candlesticks" and oil lamps, and they certainly used incense in Temple worship. The Catholic Encyclopedia is just giving a cursory overview -- you can't pretend to believe that brief article is an exhaustive scholarly investigation.
Catholicism is not Judaism with a Latin accent.
No, it's not, but there's a surprising number of correspondences.
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