Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
A little work with the whetstone of wit, and I'm sure that you'll be back at your usual level. :)
“”Hateful, cutting, sarcasm.””
Nonsense.Get over yourself
stfassisi has disowned the "totally depraved" claim as "sarcasm". I don't know whether MarkBsnr has gotten the message yet.
Let's just say that the Calvinist belief that all men are totally depraved does not mesh with the Catholic beliefs at all. Catholics believe that someone can be if they work at it, whereas Calvinists believe that all men are, before the select few are hijacked by the Reformed Holy Spirit.
You can be as Reformed as you wanna be...
Same knowledge, understanding, and practice of Catholic Teaching? Absolutely not!
Analogy: the school classroom. Same teacher, same primer, same curriculum, same homework. Are all the students equal in understanding when the class ends?
You mean like the ubiquitous (maybe universal) pagan "dying god" (most often a corn god), who dies and rises again?
Do you have an actual quote from Newman or a Dowdified or distorted paraphrase from an anti-Catholic site?
Hard to know what your point may be, since your comment doesn't parse, but the Mary in the Dies Irae is Mary Magdalene.
Interesting subject; "credibility". IIRC, and I do, you made a claim of a growing Catholic population in both Switzerland and the Southern European countries mostly responsible for the growing Swiss Catholic population. I replied with a reference to the "dynamic" Catholic growth in Portugal and am still waiting patiently for an answer.
There is still time for you to salvage a modicum of credibility and self respect.
To: Natural Law
"2. This proves a growing Catholic population in both places."
Check the Catholic birth rates in place "B" and get back to me.
Aren't you the person who claimed I never answered a question?
One thing you can be certain of is I will never respond to an imperious order from you.
You are the one who brags about the dynamic and growing population of Catholics. It is up to you to back up your claims.
However, I did choose the one nation in the world with the greatest percentage of Catholics for a quick analysis of "Catholic Growth".
Although Portugal is one of the countries with the highest proportion of Catholics in the world, the number of faithful has been falling steadily since the mid-1970s. According to the latest census, carried out in 2001, half a million people said they had become agnostics.
While 84.5 percent of the 10.6 million people in this southern European country identify themselves as Catholics, only 18.7 percent are practicing Catholics.
In addition, just 10.3 percent of the population are regular church goers, and only half of all weddings are held in churches, while divorce and abortion are legal and a same-sex marriage bill has been passed by parliament and is set to be signed into law.
Pope finds Catholic Church losing Portugal as a stronghold - May 2010
8,043 posted on 10/01/2010 8:38:36 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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Don’t cloud the issue with reported facts that go against popular opinion. /so
I don't know why you misinterpret almost everything I write, I don't know if it's me or if it's you. It shouldn't come as a massive shock that I'm inclined to believe it's you.
I'm not calling stfassisi and MarkBsnr Protestants, I'm saying that if people want to believe in total depravity we Catholics (among whom I include stfassisi and MarkBsnr) might as well let them.
Catholics don't believe in total depravity, Calvinists believe in total depravity: Since a Calvinist believes in total depravity that belief is going to color everything. IF Calvinist A believes in total depravity, fine, let him be totally depraved, at least it's consistent with what he believes.
Therefore the statement "Only a mind that believes in total depravity would..." can easily work as "only a totally depraved mind of a Calvinist would..." Good grief, how can it even be an insult when it's a foundational belief of the whole crazy system? See, "crazy system" is insulting because Calvinists don't believe their system is crazy, but totally depraved shouldn't be because THEY BELIEVE IN TOTAL DEPRAVITY. At the same time Catholics don't believe in total depravity so we don't see everything and everyone around us as totally depraved, including ourselves.
Of course this has nothing to do with the Unitarian doctrine of Total Ridiculousness. Probably... maybe...
Not sure whether to point out that this a clear case of the pot calling the kettle black or to point out that the "we" cannot grammatically refer back to "the Roman church" but has to stand as "we" -- Freudian slip?
??? praying in the Spirit is now Mystical
Seeing as how just about everyone in the bible does it, including Christ, is that now equated to Babylon practices?
Not correct. The so-called "Trinitarian Formula" was a subject of fierce debate, settled on only in the First Ecumenical Council called by the first real leader of the Catholic Church - Constantine.
Aside from the baptismal formulation in Matthew, which you so very well expound on, there is nothing explicit. The very tag of Unitarianism means one God and no 'personages', if I understand the tag correctly. Would you consider that correct?
Understand it any way you wish. Even though many Catholics have told me what I believe, I have said it all with "In any event, I accept Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."
I had not thought that you considered the Pauline epistles so highly (even more if you consider Acts, written by Luke, first a Petrine apostle, then a Pauline one) and take as much from Paul as proofs of your faith. Very interesting.
I think no more of Paul than any of the New Testament personages. He was; however, unique in that he was chosen specifically by Jesus to preach to the Gentiles.
Paul was the big "I" but he was careful to distinguish when he was speaking for Jesus and not the big "I".
I am surprised that the Catholics on this forum don't have a more positive outlook toward Paul. After all, he did relegate women to second class status in keeping with the official position of the Catholic Church.
You need to take this up with your fellow Calvinists and Pauline Cultists. They were the ones to suggest that mysticism is somehow un-Christian and paganistic.
This is nothing but pure blather. Either you are in agreement Calvinists are totally depraved or you don't. You agreed wholeheartedly with the former.
Isn’t Sybil that woman with 51 different personalities?
Naw, she's Basil Fawlty's wife.
THERE IS NO CATHOLIC TEACHING WHICH DOCUMENTS THE NUMBER OF DECLARATIONS EXERCISING PAPAL INFALLIBILITY!
well mysticism is, praying in the Spirit is not. They are two different things
lol? the one in the tower?
Then you agree that it impossible for any person to know what "Catholics Believe".
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