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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: individualliberty
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To: 1000 silverlings; Legatus
From your home page
*Whoever wishes to be saved must, above all, keep the CATHOLIC faith. For unless a person keeps this faith whole and entire, he will undoubtedly be lost forever. *
There are 1000 silverlings, but only One Branch

Boy will he be surprised !

7,881 posted on 09/30/2010 2:01:37 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: 1000 silverlings; Judith Anne; Dr. Eckleburg
*May Blessed Teresa of Calcutta grant that you learn humility*
is she the dispenser of humility now?

Well if Mary dispenses grace I guess MT could be put in charge of humility..If her words were true, she is in a great place to learn it

7,882 posted on 09/30/2010 2:04:24 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: boatbums; kosta50; RnMomof7
Just one more thing, Kosta, you don't even believe in all this "Christian" stuff, why are you even in the discussion this way? Nothing else better to do?

Kosta has as much right to participate in this discussion as any convential "Christian". (I have been asked the same question, even "invited" to leave the discussion so I may have a slightly more "Unitarian" perspective.) :-)

7,883 posted on 09/30/2010 2:05:22 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, eh? The odious Pew crew hate Christians - they only identify as hating Catholics more. Perhaps you might research them as to the other findings that they have presented. Straws...

I fully expect you will provide a current survey from a "reputable" source. Reasonable huh?

7,884 posted on 09/30/2010 2:13:54 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: MarkBsnr
..we must consider Scripture and its source. The Gospels are the quotations of Jesus. Jesus is Lord God Almighty. I am baffled by alleged Christians acting as if (but not overtly confirming) that the words of e.g. Nehemiah or the Chronicler are as important if not more important than the words of Almighty God. I mean, do you really consider Lamentations as important as the Sermon on the Mount?

Yes, we most definitely should consider the source. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" comes to mind. The Gospels are quite a lot more than "just" the quotations of Jesus, if you are familiar with them. And in the same way, the rest of scripture is relevant in many ways to our lives. I think it is a little spurious to try to place "importance" of some "over" others since God has chosen to reveal himself to us in this way and has preserved it from destruction for all these millennium. The only "alleged" Christians I have read that have tried to place preeminence of some scripture over others are the ones who claim their own revealed, extra-biblical documents.

7,885 posted on 09/30/2010 2:14:54 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: 1000 silverlings; kosta50
I can believe you or I can believe Jesus
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

This is what happens when 1)you do not read the Bible, 2) when you believe God is going to weigh your "good works" against your "bad" and judge you that way, and 3) you believe you get to work off your sins in purgatory

From their FAVORITE writer

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

7,886 posted on 09/30/2010 2:15:22 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: boatbums

That’s not a very nice thing to say about the WCF or Institutes of the Christian Religion.

:)


7,887 posted on 09/30/2010 2:20:45 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: count-your-change
Why would Christ mind being “second fiddle” or God’s “errand boy” seeing that he said he sought not his own will but that of he who sent him, God? As the Scriptures reflect, Jesus is always in an inferior position to his father.

They do not understand...

7,888 posted on 09/30/2010 2:25:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Jaded

Actually we REALLY believe the Trinity is 3 PERSONS in one God

Not one god with 3 personas


7,889 posted on 09/30/2010 2:27:28 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

It’s much simpler than all that:

You’re either born lucky or born unlucky.

The rest is superfluous to anything regarding salvation.


7,890 posted on 09/30/2010 2:29:15 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
I believe that according to double-predestination, the only thing required for salvation is to be born lucky.

An attempt to change the subject?

7,891 posted on 09/30/2010 2:31:49 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: kosta50; RnMomof7

ag·nos·tic (ag-nos?tik) noun
One who believes that there can be no proof of the existence of God but does not deny the possibility that God exists.

Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.

a·the·ism (?the-iz´?m) noun

1. a. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. b. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
2. Godlessness; immorality.

Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.


7,892 posted on 09/30/2010 2:32:05 PM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: RnMomof7

An attempt to avoid the subject?


7,893 posted on 09/30/2010 2:32:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7
"I guess I do not understand if someone believes something why they would be afraid to share it."

Matthew 7:6

To be expected from an

snob.

7,894 posted on 09/30/2010 2:33:24 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: kosta50
It's not John who creates the “problem”, if it be such, for the church but those that attempt to force that square peg of “ if Christ is God, and God is one, then the Word is co-equal to and co-eternal with the Father and the Spirit” into the round opening of John's writing.
7,895 posted on 09/30/2010 2:34:04 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
What is more humble? To believe, as RCs believe, their own good works and righteousness save them, or to believe, as Protestants believe, that Christ's good work and Christ's righteousness save them?

That is the 1 million dollar question..

7,896 posted on 09/30/2010 2:35:16 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Religion Moderator
"Your reading comprehension is faulty"

Any presumption to know what is going on inside my head is "mind reading" and, in the words of Martin Luther, verboten. Please comply with the rules or refrain from posting to or about me.

7,897 posted on 09/30/2010 2:36:21 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: Natural Law
*I'm really getting annoyed at the self appointed hall monitors who preach, warn, and threaten others over perceived rules infractions but can't seem to post more than a dozen in a row without themselves breaking the rules*

then what is with the ad hominems?

7,898 posted on 09/30/2010 2:36:21 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: RnMomof7

There is always that final and best argument of waving the hands in the air and saying “it’s a MYSTERY!”.


7,899 posted on 09/30/2010 2:38:58 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: D-fendr
It’s not very humble to believe, as Calvinists believe, their own birth has saved them no matter what they do, think or say or how they act towards others.

See the difference is we know we have nothing to commend ourselves to God, that nothing we could do would deserve anything but hell.. all our righteousness is filthy bloody menstrual rags before a HOLY God

But you are still trying to change the topic

7,900 posted on 09/30/2010 2:39:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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