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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: 1000 silverlings

Not funny. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me.

And the RCC wonders why it is hemorrhaging members or those of us who have left have no desire to return.


7,841 posted on 09/30/2010 11:48:16 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kosta50
I can believe you or I can believe Jesus

Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

7,842 posted on 09/30/2010 11:51:33 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

I guess God is pretty busy these days and needs some back up for the stuff He can’t get to.


7,843 posted on 09/30/2010 11:54:14 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Legatus; RnMomof7
Now... where it gets really interesting is whether or not Mary is a necessary being

It all goes back to the myriad of Christological beliefs of the early Church. Those who treated Christ as a mere man who was later "adopted" (Adoptionism), either at his baptism ("this day I have begotten you") or after his resurrection, depending which biblical author you read, Mary is completely unnecessary because the ontological change took place afterwords.

Those who treated Christ as a lesser God and an errands boy of the Father, seen in a myriad of Christological heresies such as Arianism, Modalism, etc., would also make Mary and incidental, if not random accident of no particular significance or necessity because his ontological humanity is a mere mask.

Since so many modern-day Protestant offshoots express the same Chrisotlogical beliefs as those early heresies, is there any wonder that Mary is trivialized and marginalized?

7,844 posted on 09/30/2010 12:05:34 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: count-your-change
As the Scriptures reflect, Jesus is always in an inferior position to his father.

He would be in his humanity or as the traditional Jewish messiah. If that were all he was, that would be easy. But if Christ is God, and God is one, then the Word is co-equal to and co-eternal with the Father and the Spirit. Or else we have polytheism. So, by hellenizing Jesus, and making him into a Platonic deity, John created a Chrisotlogical problem for the Church, which took the Church three hundred years to figure out, and which is the source of confusion among some Christian offshoots even to this day.

7,845 posted on 09/30/2010 12:17:05 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50
They really don't believe in the Trinity.
7,846 posted on 09/30/2010 12:20:15 PM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: 1000 silverlings
I can believe you or I can believe Jesus Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Well, being a Christian I would expect you to! Matthew was written for the gullible, superstitious Greeks in search of a mystery religion, which is why it was written in Greek. And Greeks know nothing of Judaism. But the Jews do, which is why Christianity failed in Israel! Matthew 5:17 is the equivalent of LDS saying that God the Father has a wife, and a body, and used to be a man before he became God.

7,847 posted on 09/30/2010 12:23:26 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Jaded

They do, in their own version of “trinity,” and there was never any shortage of such versions.


7,848 posted on 09/30/2010 12:24:35 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: 1000 silverlings

By the way, why is it when Catholics can not defend their faith, they resort to ad hominem remarks? Protestants are called filthy Calvinists, when none are filthy and some are not Calvinists, and the rest of us are called dimwits and liars.If one of us were even to allude to Catholics that way, oh the wailing from the thread nannies that would ensue! Funny isn’t it


HEREON:

IT’S . . . DRUM ROLL . . .

!!!!!!!TRADITION!!!!!!!!


7,849 posted on 09/30/2010 12:31:17 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Judith Anne; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; OLD REGGIE
May Blessed Teresa of Calcutta grant that you learn humility.

1000silverlings rightly questioned your understanding of the Gospel. Mother Teresa does not dispense humility. Just as Mary does not dispense grace nor mediation nor intercession.

RCs look to creatures for their sustenance when Christ is the only dispenser of all good things, including humility, mediation, intercession and grace.

Your tag is an affront to God. If Christ is not with you at the moment of your death (as was sadly the case for Mother Teresa) you are lost, and no other creature on earth or in heaven can help you.

7,850 posted on 09/30/2010 12:31:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50

Did the Holy Spirit die on the cross?


7,851 posted on 09/30/2010 12:35:29 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Just reading that post, anyone can see how much you need the intercession of Blessed Teresa of Calcutta. It would indeed be a miracle to see any Calvinist display any humility.


7,852 posted on 09/30/2010 12:35:46 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

It appears that you may be upset that I will not bow to your commands. Heh.


7,853 posted on 09/30/2010 12:37:29 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"What does the Roman Catholic church teach as to why Christ spoke in miracles?"

I am done answering open ended questions from the Calvinist cabal and then having to rebut, disprove and correct the intentional mischaracterisations, misquotes and accusations in the ensuing blow-back. These questions aren't asked out of a real desire to learn anything or to compare dogma's, they are part of a game in which the anti-Catholic agenda is spewed out one item at a time to insult and hopefully solicit a gotcha moment.

For now I am content to skip the pretext and simply respond to the intentional mischaracterisations, misquotes and accusations that will find their way onto the thread anyway.

7,854 posted on 09/30/2010 12:51:15 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: Legatus; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings; metmom; OLD REGGIE; blue-duncan; boatbums; Gamecock; ...
Now... where it gets really interesting is whether or not Mary is a necessary being. Christ received His human nature from her, if another woman had been chosen He would have had a different human nature.

RCs just keep feeding us punch lines.

Was Mary's "human nature" any different than yours or mine or any person since Adam?

Read the Bible. God chose a virgin from the house of David to fulfill prophecy. He did not choose Mary because her "human nature" was different from any other human being -- fallen, corrupted by sin, doubting, fearful and egocentric.

If Mary's "human nature" were not the same as yours and mine, she would not have required a supernatural messenger from God to convince her of the truth.

7,855 posted on 09/30/2010 12:54:36 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne
"It realy gripes me when the reformed think they are our instructors,"

No kidding. They demand that they establish the ground rules, the definitions, and the agenda, and then go stark raving bananas when Catholics don't behave.

I'm really getting annoyed at the self appointed hall monitors who preach, warn, and threaten others over perceived rules infractions but can't seem to post more than a dozen in a row without themselves breaking the rules.

7,856 posted on 09/30/2010 12:57:04 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: Natural Law; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; OLD REGGIE; metmom
I am done answering open ended questions

Your posts haven't answered much of anything.

There's nothing "open-ended" about the simple question - "why did Jesus speak in parables?"

A man either knows the answer which Jesus stated in His own words in Scripture (hint hint) or he doesn't.

You've shown us your "answer."

7,857 posted on 09/30/2010 1:06:14 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OLD REGGIE
"What is left unsaid is that the increase in Catholics is due to immigration of Catholics and for no other reason."

What I said was Geneva was now predominantly Catholic and that the Swiss are very good at cleaning up messes. If that required immigration so be it. It is further proof that the world wide Catholic population is indeed growing and spreading.

Catholicism was once before nearly removed from Switzerland in the 4th century through invasion and ethnic cleansing. Catholicism was reestablished there in the 7th century by Irish monks (those darned monastics) and flourished. Catholicism has remained the majority religion of Switzerland for 1200 years, even thorugh the black years of Calvin.

7,858 posted on 09/30/2010 1:08:17 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: Judith Anne
Upset? Lol. Nope. Christians are called to preach the Gospel in truth and to rebuke error.

That joyful instruction keeps us busy around her, what with RCs not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God.

7,859 posted on 09/30/2010 1:15:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Christians are called to preach the Gospel in truth and to rebuke error."

You have answered what Catholics are called to do, but what are you Paulians called to do?

7,860 posted on 09/30/2010 1:19:59 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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