Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I do not believe that you can be insulted.
Did God die on the cross or did only the son of man/ the son of mary die on the cross
The Incarnate Jesus did.
I believe that the Catholics here have said all actions of the trinity are done by all three..
Your beliefs are as amusing as they are invalid.
Did God the Father and Jesus the son impregnate Mary ?
Luke says that the Holy Spirit did.
I agree. That's exactly how the Protestants sound.
The Father has the Son preform all these works as His agent...The Father does all these things through the Spirits Powet The first covenant was between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit
This is nothing short of heresy.
Are you posting to me as if I were in the third person. Well, given the Reformed misunderstanding of the Trinity, I suppose that such grammatical error is not to be unexpected.
Not a Godly fusion.
More Reformed gibberish.
More like combustible.
Even more Reformed gibberish.
RC apologists seem to think Christ was advocating castration and eunuchs.
Christ was sympathetic to those who had been born deformed or who were castrated for whatever foul reasons.
But He certainly wasn't advocating the practice.
Rome has always had a strange and perverse conception of human sexuality. Christians believe the body is good because God made our bodies and gave us life in those bodies. And from those bodies God creates new life. One day we will even be re-united to our glorified bodies.
God does not want us in self-inflicted pain, such as JPII regularly flogging himself with a leather belt.
God wants us in joy.
As usual you are playing loose with the facts. Did it ever occur to you that all of this is verifiable by anyone with an internet connection (every Freeper)?
In 2007, 1.45 million resident foreigners (85.4%, or 19.1% of the total population[12]), had European citizenship (Italian: 295,507; German: 224,324; citizens of Serbia and Montenegro: 196,078; Portuguese: 193,299; French: 83,129; Turkish: 75,382; Spanish: 66,519, Macedonian: 60,509; Bosnian: 41,654; Croatian: 38,144; Austrian: 36,155; British: 32,207). ; 109,113 residents were from Asia; 69,010 from the Americas; 66,599 from Africa; and 3,777 from Oceania.
That means that only 1/3 of the immigration is "due to RC immigrants from Italy, Portugal and Spain.
We have been trying to teach the meaning of the beatitudes to you guys for years, now. Which Catholics do not know them? Names, please?
Ping to #7705
It's not about me. It's about Christ. That is what separates the beliefs of the Reformed from those of Christians.
LOL
Well, prattling. They know the words of the Nicene Creed, but they have not clue one as to what they actually mean as determined by the Church 1600 years ago; they simply try to reinvent the meaning every day by every individual.
Thanks.
RnMom, I meant to also ping you to post 7691
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=7691#7691
Speaking of lies flung around here......clearly you are not a math or statistics major. There are a total of 6 million Swiss and a total of 1.4 million immigrants of which only a third are from Catholic countries. Your numbers like your theology and history just don't add up. Do you do the polling for the Obama administration?
This is nothing short of heresy.
Very good catch, sir. I missed these statements. It is unconscionable that a Christian should have even conceived these thoughts, much less post them as if they were Christian beliefs. Unbelieveable. Do the Reformed really believe that they can just make it all up as they go along?
The thing is that the Calvinist branch of the Reformation is losing. They are losing everywhere in the world. They have lost Switzerland. They are losing Scotland, as the Church of Scotland relaxes its Calvinist grip and at the same time is hemorrhaging members. Puritan New England and the Reformed colonies are lost. There are pockets of Calvinism here and there, but they are going the way of the dinosaur and flat earth societies.
With that sensation of loss comes desperation. Why do you think that the Reformed that are left come out of the woodwork and cracks in the floor during Easter and Christmas and during the Pope's reclamation of Britain for Christianity? Desperation. They are scared of going down in history as a failure and as a demonstrated departure from Christianity.
Your fever dreams are incorrect, Mark. Reformed Presbyterians, Baptists, Anglicans, Methodists and Congregationalists are all growing mightily.
We'll pause while you cite the numbers for the OPC, but please check out the numbers for the Presbyterian Church in America which is growing throughout the US and the world.
Last week I also posted a link showing that by 2022, Brazil will be predominantly Protestant, due to the tremendous current shift away from Roman Catholicism towards Pentecostal and Reformed faith.
Rome is fading, closing parochial schools and seminaries all over the country. Rome's singular increase comes from immigration from a few South American countries, Italy, Spain and Portugal.
The rest of the world is turning from Rome to the light of the Gospel.
No other religion in the United States has lost more members to other faiths, or to no faith at all, than Catholicism, according to the new survey released by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. The survey, conducted in 2007, found that 31 percent of Americans were raised Catholic, but less than 25 per cent of them still identify as Catholic... In the marketplace of American faith, Catholicism is the big loser.
And Rome would be in an even worse situation without illegal immigration propping up its membership rolls.
"What was the purpose of Jesus speaking in parables?"
I’ll refer you to RnMomof7’s post here...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=7565#7565
I understand the loyalty Catholics have to her and, as I said earlier, I hope and pray she did not die in despair and unbelief. Jesus said:
Matthew 10:32-33
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
I cannot imagine going through the adversities she did without her faith in Christ to sustain her, but she DID say those things spoken of her denial of him and she said them before others. I would love to know she saw the light in the end. I will not criticize her or disparage her efforts. I pray that the people who carry on her mission to this day do not fall into such an abyss.
Sure, it's like Lego blocks; you can make anything you want; it's called cherry-picking and it's accomplished with a Reformed Random Verse Generator. :)
I must admit, however, this is the first time I have seen such blatant heresy stated as a "Christian" doctrine on Trinity, to wit: the Son is an obedient "agent" of the Father. Obviously co-equal and co-eternal are not concepts in the Lego Trinity.
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