Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Natural Law]

" but in our work we bear witness to the love of God’s presence...

You must have overlooked or not understood that part. You don't have to get into ones ear to teach the Gospels, its more effective if you simply get into their hearts. Its more genuine and appreciated.

[Natural Law]

"There is no record of any person, with the exception of Jesus, being raised during His time on this earth...

There are no records of that happening to Jesus either, but there are accounts that rely upon faith for belief. What's your point?

[OLD REGGIE]

So, are you saying that, like the filthy Calvinists, Christ DID NOT choose His Mother? And frankly, I see no evidence of Calvinists on this forum following Christ, so I cannot believe that any of you are His family.

How sweet, kind, and loving thou art!

Do you believe Jesus was fully God at the time of his birth with all the knowledge and omniscience of God?

[RnMomof7]

***Too bad you have discarded the truth of Mother Teresa’s ministry in the context of the following:

Matthew 25:31-46****

Mt 25: 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

41”Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

Sounds like people will be judged on their works to those that do not read the text with care ..

1st of all, that discourse (like the beatitudes) was given to the apostles and the disciples.. it was not a discourse on how to be saved given to the crowd. Some listened, but the address was to the saved.

See the beginning of the teaching

Mat 24:1 ¶ And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

This is the beginning of the teaching which spans 2 chapters.. it was to His men.

It is describing the work of the SHEEP.

The Sheep were not ever GOATS. the Goats never behaved like sheep

This was a judgment of rewards , not salvation .

Mat 16:27”For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”

Luke 14:14”For thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.”

(Rev 22:12)”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”

1Peter 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.”

The Goats are condemned , not because they did not work, but because they had never repented and believed

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 4:5  But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

They were not sheep because they did the work that God had ordained for them, they did the work because they were the sheep.

Gal. 2:16: “[T]hat we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified

Here Jesus teaching on salvation by works

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

A good tree brings forth good fruit , that is fruit that is attached to the vine.

If it is not attached to the vine it bears no good fruit and it is thrown into the fire.

But you say, isn’t feeding the hungry and clothing the naked good work?

Jesus qualified that answer here is what HE said

A corrupt tree ( not attached to the vine can not do work that is pleasing to him, even if done in HIS name)

A good tree ( a sheep, a saved man) can not bring forth bad fruit.

He says the sheep were ministering to HIM as they ministered. The goats did not.

So the sheep did God pleasing work not to be saved, but because they were already His sheep ( saved) .

[Natural Law]

"1st of all, that discourse (like the beatitudes) was given to the apostles and the disciples.."

That's where you are wrong. It was given to all mankind.

[OLD REGGIE]

My duty this afternoon is to watch the Patriots at 1PM.

I have a soft spot for the Bills, having grown up an hour from Buffalo. I think that the Patriots have a soft spot this year, called 'game day'... :)

I partially agree with you. The Patriots have a long way to go before they can be called "good". Sadly, the Bills have a longer journey.

[RnMomof7]

You must have overlooked or not understood that part. You don't have to get into ones ear to teach the Gospels, its more effective if you simply get into their hearts. Its more genuine and appreciated

So they learn about Christ and the cross through mental telepathy ??

She never presented the gospel .She told them to pray to their gods

It may be more appreciated here, but the fires of hell they will have for eternity will temper that gratitude

[Legatus]

Elijah? Apocrypha. Nuff said.

I realize I'm a Catholic and therefore totally unfamiliar with Sacred Scripture but I was under the impression that 2 Kings was accepted by everyone...

[RnMomof7]

It was given to all mankind.

Read the scriptures in context, you will be amazed.. This was a teaching to the saved..it was not a teaching on HOW TO BE SAVED

Context, context , context

Today it is recorded so all men may read it, but the goats will never understand it

[boatbums]

A Paul original???!!! That's a good one.

So regarding Christ being "made" sin for us, we know from Scripture that this means he took all sin upon himself as the "lamb of God" and made propitiation for us all. Paul was hardly the only prophet who described him in this way. See for example:

Hebrews 9:28
so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

or

Hebrews 10:10
And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

or

1 Peter 2:24
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed.

I snuck those verses in from Hebrews since IIRC, y'all have disputed that Paul was the author. I can show many, many more verses that say the same thing but I am not convinced it would be good enough. Minds that have already been made up cannot usually open to receive another view. I hope it has not been hardened that far and that God's word can still be illuminated.

[OLD REGGIE]

"Fiction is fiction, is fiction."

There is as little historical evidence to disprove her existence as there is to prove it. The same applies to Jesus. It is faith that leads us to believe.

That a Catherine of Alexandria was martyred in the 3rd century is not in question. Hagiographers have simply claimed that they were unable to attest to much of the legend that surrounds her. There is still much to venerate.

May I assume you have faith in Scripture? Scripture says Jesus is real.

The entire story of Catherine of Alexandria is legend and/or pure fiction. The Catholic Church makes no claim whatsoever as to her authenticity.

Venerate as you wish. Jesus has not yet returned and none have been raised.

[Running On Empty]

I think that some who write about St. Teresa are not necessarily well-informed about her.

She is best understood by reading her works “The Way of Perfection”. It is hardly a primer for “out of the body experiences”; quite the contrary.

Are you aware that both St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross specifically warned against seeking or desiring mystical experiences? St. Teresa never “modeled out of the body experiences.”

It helps to know more about these people before expounding on them.

Provided here is a look into St. John of the Cross, the spiritual friend and co-founder of the Discalced Carmelites with St. Teresa:

” St. John tried to teach, in his writings how to live the virtues of faith, hope, love, Gospel simplicity in our work, joy, fleeing melancholy, exquisite attention to the sick, instructing people to read the Bible as a vehicle of the love of God, finding in it ‘edification, exhortation, and consolation’ (1Cor 14,3).

“Just as St. Teresa wrote of the practical daily chores of love, humility, prayer for one another, good example, care for one another, so thus said also St. John of the Cross, as he counseled that we keep our feet solid on earth, even as the heart soars heavenward.”

This is not of the school of eastern mysticism.

It’s unfortunate to inaccurately capsulize in a few derogatory sentences the life and writings of St. Teresa of Avila and by association all other great Carmelites who followed in her footsteps: such as St. Bendicta of the Cross (Edith Stein), martyr of Auschwitz, St. Therese of Lisieux , St. Teresa of the Andes, and St. Elizabeth of the Trinity.

It is mockery to call St. Teresa the “Benny Hinn of Carmelites” and someone who “today...would be locked up in a padded cell”.

[OLD REGGIE]

Presby church for that sort of thing being spewed from the pulpit.

vomiting it all over the people in the first row--- I was there! I saw it!

*She quit the choir at a Baptist church for the pastor saying that people from India brought satan to America while staring at the choir member from Trinidad.*

That blackguard!!! I was there! I heard it! I saw the choir member from Trinidad!!! The debil was in her pocket!! I was there!! I saw it!! Honest. Oh it was terrible I tell you. It was in the southern mid-west where they hunt alligators, seriously!

Oh the horror! I believe you. In fact, I believe all those anecdotal stories of personal experiences.

[wmfights]

LOL

All you can do is laugh at it.

[Judith Anne]

priests having affairs with married women or nuns in their parishes

Didn't Luther, as a priest, marry a nun? Wasn't that his major malfunction?

[MarkBsnr]

We're not discussing your words; we're discussing Christ's words.

We are discussing English translations of Scripture. The version of the Bible that I customarily use says celibacy. The KJV 1611 says eunuch.

So do you think Christ is advocating castration as eunuchs are castrated?

Not necessarily. I think that this means personal celibacy. As Paul told us that he practiced and advocated for all that can bear it for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven.

[OLD REGGIE]

They are called Church Fathers for a reason.

Finally! I seem to have found someone who knows who the Church Fathers were.

Could you list them for me please? (Of course the list must be one officially approved by the Catholic Church.

[D-fendr]

…and confused about the Church Fathers as well.

[MarkBsnr]

If you are talking about "our deeds" being our sins, then when it comes time for us to be judged, those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ will be adjudicated "not guilty".

A very nice fantasy, but that is not what Jesus, Paul, Peter, James and John say. That is not what the verses I have posted say. They say that every thing that every man has ever done will be uncovered and examined and Judged. Everything. Every word and deed. Whether committed or omitted (remember Matthew 25 - Lord, whenever did we not give food and drink to You?). None of the authors qualify it in any way.

The works we have done as Christians, will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ and will determine rewards or loss of rewards based upon the quality of those deeds - those based upon faith or not by faith - but we will still be saved so this judgment does not determine our destiny.

Rewards? Do you guys really think of Heaven as positions at a table or seating in a stadium? Do you think that one person will get a bungalow and the next guy a 50,000 square foot mansion?

Revelation 22: 1 Then the angel showed me the river of life-giving water, 1 sparkling like crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of its street. On either side of the river grew the tree of life 2 that produces fruit twelve times a year, once each month; the leaves of the trees serve as medicine for the nations. 3 Nothing accursed will be found there anymore. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. 4 They will look upon his face, 3 and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 Night will be no more, nor will they need light from lamp or sun, for the Lord God shall give them light, and they shall reign forever and ever.

That is the reward for those Judged for Salvation: to be with God forever and ever, not to get a 60" LCD TV instead of a 32" plasma.

[MarkBsnr]

What about these verses: Isaiah 53

I give you Jesus, Peter, Paul, James and John and you give me Isaiah? This says that the Messiah will take the punishment for our sins upon Himself. But that is not the whole picture. Read Jesus and His Apostles and the authors of the New Testament for a more complete picture.