Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Well Jesus never *lost his faith* so that is no comparison. Now if Mother Theresa had read the words of Christ, and believed them like He told her to, she would have known that *the poor you always have with you* and *let the dead bury the dead.* then she could have been concerned with the living, and perhaps done some real good spreading the Gospel to those perishing spiritually
Yes, sometimes becoming a monk was helped along, remember Peter Abelard and Heloise?
Oh, please.
It was not an accusation, nor was it intended as such in any way. The context of the whole post was all tongue-in-cheek and certainly not meant as mind-reading nor was it meant to be taken seriously.
I don’t need your imperious “knock it off”. You are not my appointed watch-dog.
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Ever read Psalm 22? Ever hear of Christ praying? Ever hear that Christ knew He was fulfilling prophecy? Probably not, after all that's *Old Testament* and worthless, right?
please don’t make this thread about me
nor you mine
Fine.
It never occurred to me.
There was this guy... Thomas? I think Jesus decided to rename him Petra... Peter... Rock or something he had some doubts too...
I think Jesus built something with Peter... Mother Teresa probaly was part of the construction crew.
“”SFA, the Gospels tell us that Jesus prayed. So, was he merely acting? And when he cried out “Why have you forsaken me?”, was than an an act as well? Either he had faith or he was acting.””
I see it as not a loss of faith but a typological connection,as did Saint Augustine and some other church Fathers(which I will try and locate again when I find the time)
“Christ bearing humanity,setting a model for us,shows a certain private will,in which He figured both His will and ours,because He is the head and,as you know,as limbs(membra) we attached are attached to Him : Father,He said:”if it can be ,let this cup pass from me”(en. Ps.32.2.1.2.13)”- Saint Augustine
The Father IS NOT THE SON , The Son IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT , the Holy Spirit is NOT THE FATHER..
There are THREE PERSONS in one God.. and there has been from all eternity
The members of the Trinity are called persons because a person is self aware, can speak, love, hate, say "you," "yours," "me," "mine," etc. Each of the three persons in the Trinity demonstrate these qualities.(Matt Slick)
Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son , the Son does the will of the Father. The relationship of the persons of the Trinity does not deny the deity of the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit . We do not understand the Trinity and we are not free to make it up as we go along . We have to search the scriptures to understand God . Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.
Each member of the Trinity has His own Function within the Godhead . The Father is caused the Universe ..see 1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); He causes divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); He initiates salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). This is the work of the Father
The Son is the the one through whom the Father worked creation and maintaing of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father has the Son preform all these works as His agent
The Holy Spirit does the work of the father as well creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). The Father does all these things through the Spirits Powet The first covenant was between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit
lol.
“You will not like women. But if you do like women, we have a little something for that...”
I hear you.
Unless Mother Teresa recanted her 50 years of disbelief in God and Christ and faith and prayer, and with her last breath embraced Christ as Lord and Savior, she is to be pitied.
First, Mother Teresa never lost her faith which is why the comparison to Jesus and his moments of despair are applicable.
As for doing "real good" do you people realize how completely foolish and ridiculous you appear? Do you think spreading the Gospel is limited to word games and debating tricks in which you trick or browbeat the sick and dying? Mother Teresa's example of Christian beatitude speaks far louder than all of the words generated by all of the Reformists combined. Mother Teresa embodied the new Decalogue, the Two Greatest Commandments plus the eight Beatitudes. For in these Salvation is found.
It would be beneficial to read the Catholic proof text chapter in totality
John 6: 37 All that the Father giveth to me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me, I will not cast out. 38 Because I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 Now this is the will of the Father who sent me: that of all that he hath given me, I should lose nothing; but should raise it up again in the last day. 40 And this is the will of my Father that sent me: that every one who seeth the Son, and believeth in him, may have life everlasting, and I will raise him up in the last day.
AMEN!
" For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" -- Matthew 16:26
When Jesus speaks of "good works" He always adds the caveat that those works must be done "in my name."
Your problem is in your word choice. There are not three persons, there are three hypostases. This is akin to describing the three aspects of time; past, present, and future, or the three dimensions of an object. Each are unique, but wholly a part of the Ousia.
The latter (Calvins father)died in 1531, under excommunication from the chapter for not sending in his accounts. The old man's illness, not his lack of honesty, was, we are told, the cause.
Catholic encyclopedia
BTW it was to a thief that Jesus promised heaven ....
So now you are admitting that Catholicism has proof texts?
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