Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Again, what did Mary contribute other than her human nature? Since Mary is not a member of the Holy Trinity whatever it is you are implying is irrelevant. Or is she in the Trinity?
Well that would be a first, since syncretism is accepted in it
No, I haven’t limited myself. Yes, I have studied.
What I have studied has shown me Rome does not preach the Gospel of Christ, but another Gospel almost entirely.
Rome teaches men to follow “another Christ.” Rome elevates eunuchs at the expense of married men and women. Rome protects homosexual priests rather than handing them over to the justice system.
Rome bows down to the stock of a tree. Rome prays to dead people. Rome puts Mary on the cross with Jesus. Rome turns a simple Jewish girl into the blasphemy of “the wife of the Holy Spirit.”
Rome believes good works are the basis for salvation, therefore Rome’s popes can freely kiss the Koran and tell the world muslims are saved just like Christians. Rome does not understand Scriptural justification, confusing it and fusing it with sanctification.
Rome is the only church on earth that has its own standing army.
Perhaps it needs it. Liars require force while the truth of God’s grace is self-evident to all those in receipt of it.
Yes. “Monastics bad.” They are ego-centered and dull of hearing, or else they would join the world and preach the Gospel to all men.
But monastics are a great example of what the church in Rome desires — blind obedience and male companionship.
What you encourage, you get more of.
Pity.
The return of Podarge and the harpies...
LOL!
Well said. But, to the Protestants, Paul is their most quoted hope, if not god, it seems.
You noticed that too? :)
Mary was chosen based on a Palestinian 7-11 winning Lotto ticket, but the "elect" God knew from before the foundation of the world... :) Calvinism would be hit on any Japanese game show.
You said you had studied?
Do you think no monastics have ever preached? Or "joined the world"? You're conversing on the Trinity; are you familiar with the Cappadocian Fathers and their contributions to the First Council of Constantinople and the final version of the Nicene Creed? The Desert Fathers?
I believe you adhere to some of St. Augustine's writings. His life and conversion to Christianity was greatly influenced by reading the life of a particular saint. Are you familiar with this, or the saint? Do you know what St. Augustine converted his family house into?
They are ego-centered and dull of hearing... Rome teaches…
Are you certain you have studied any of this at all?
And for the umpteenth time, Protestants agree with that statement.
Our difference with Rome is that while Rome believes men are judged according to their own good works (thus RCs can say with certainty Mother Teresa is saved by her charity even though she did not believe in Jesus Christ,) Protestants believe we are judged according to Christ's righteousness, mercifully imputed to us by God's grace through faith.
Feel free to stand before God clothed in your own good works. Seems pretty risky to me. I'll trust Christ to plead my case before God by His saving work on the cross which covers my sins and has redeemed by soul.
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come." -- 1 Thess. 1:9-10
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him" -- Romans 5:8-9"...how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
How did Christ deliver us from the wrath of God? By His good example? No. By Christ paying for our sins and marking us "redeemed" even though we still sin every day. Therefore our righteousness doesn't save us. His righteousness saves us which is how God will judge us. By Christ within us.
Hear what Paul says Christians are judged by...
"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith" -- Phil 3:9
Christ says He is enough for us.
How do Roman Catholics trust Christ's word never to let them go if they believe their own righteousness will save them?
Real security and trust in God brings with it confidence that Christ will absolutely do what He said He would do -- save His sheep.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." -- John 10:26-29 "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
No, and the question is a one critical to Trinitarian theology. “Was Mary only the mother of Jesus’s human nature?”
Again, what did Mary contribute other than her human nature?
Motherhood of Jesus Christ.
Welcome to polytheism Calvinist style! God the Father is "conferencing" with the Son and the Spirit! I used to think they were Triniatrian Christian (at least in theory). Now I suspect they may be cultists in disguise.
Do you think Christ chose Mary to be His mother?
I believe you adhere to some of St. Augustine's writings. His life and conversion to Christianity was greatly influenced by reading the life of a particular saint. Are you familiar with this, or the saint? Do you know what St. Augustine converted his family house into?
And here we have the Roman Catholic excuse for not studying the Scriptures. They're too busy on the tangential.
I've noticed that when RCs have lost the debate on Scriptural grounds, they appeal to antiquity.
To each his own.
1 Corinthians 11: 1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.
Hebrews 13: 7 Remember your leaders who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teaching.
Paul tells us to imitate him and to imitate our leaders in the Church. Catholicism is true to Christ and the Reformed are not. Next?
Rome elevates eunuchs at the expense of married men and women
1 Corinthians 7: 6 This I say by way of concession, 4 however, not as a command. 7 Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am, but each has a particular gift from God, 5 one of one kind and one of another. 8 6 Now to the unmarried and to widows, I say: it is a good thing for them to remain as they are, as I do...
32 I should like you to be free of anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. 33 But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, 34 and he is divided. An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit. A married woman, on the other hand, is anxious about the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 35 I am telling you this for your own benefit, not to impose a restraint upon you, but for the sake of propriety and adherence to the Lord without distraction.
Matthew 19: 12 Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage 9 for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it."
Both Jesus and Paul teach us that it can be good to renounce marriage for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven. Once again, the Church is shown to follow Christ and the Reformed do not.
Rome bows down to the stock of a tree.
1 Corinthians 1: 17 7 8 For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with the wisdom of human eloquence, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its meaning. 18 The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
What is the meaning of the cross to the Reformed? Is is just foolishness? Sure seems to be.
Phillippians 3:17 11 Join with others in being imitators of me, 12 brothers, and observe those who thus conduct themselves according to the model you have in us. 18 For many, as I have often told you and now tell you even in tears, conduct themselves as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their end is destruction. Their God is their stomach; their glory is in their "shame." Their minds are occupied with earthly things.
Paul not only repeates his instruction to imitate him, but also that there are many who conduct themselves as enemies of the cross of Christ. Why do so many Reformed conduct themselves in this fashion?
Ephesians 2: 14 8 For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, 15 abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, that he might create in himself one new person 9 in place of the two, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile both with God, in one body, through the cross, putting that enmity to death by it.
The cross is vital to the death and ensuing Resurrection of Jesus.
Your claims about Catholicism are mixed. Some of them are simply ridiculous and you have been corrected numerous times by many different posters. Others are actually correct and proven using Scripture which the Reformed have jettisoned in their hubris.
You know as well as all the rest of us here that there are personal and anecdotal experiences recorded for posterity all over and up-the gump-stump on this forum.
Those anecdotal tidits posted for posterity are not respecters of denominations-—every genre of Christian here has contributed....even northerners and westerners and people from down around the Mississippi.
And Alaska.
The question was have you studied the history before you pronounce on the subject.
The answer was yes, I’ve studied the history.
The evidence was no, you haven’t.
The reply was… “you’re appealing to antiquity.”
No, I’m appealing to knowledge of history, um sorry antiquity, before pronouncing your views on it.
It’s a matter of credibility.
Its not doomed to fail, it failed long ago.
Both Jesus and Paul teach us that it can be good to renounce marriage for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven.
Thanks for posting the scripture along with your opinion because it proves your opinion false.
Jesus does not say "it can be good to renounce marriage."
He says that those unfortunate men who were castrated or born deformed were not to be criticized because they couldn't marry.
Rome takes an error of nature or men and turns it into a creepy and false piety.
No wonder Rome is rife with homosexuals and pederasts.
And yes, we are to "imitate" Christ. To become "Christ-like." To follow His example. We are not called to become "another Christ," though Rome still believes its priestcraft to be just that.
Rome not only bows down to the stock of a tree, Rome bows down before statues of dead human beings which is specifically forbidden by God's commandments.
And STILL Roman Catholics are blind to the truth, preferring their own superstitions to the word of God.
This isn't a debate. When the Church is slandered nobody wins.
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