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To: D-fendr; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; OLD REGGIE; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; metmom

No, I haven’t limited myself. Yes, I have studied.

What I have studied has shown me Rome does not preach the Gospel of Christ, but another Gospel almost entirely.

Rome teaches men to follow “another Christ.” Rome elevates eunuchs at the expense of married men and women. Rome protects homosexual priests rather than handing them over to the justice system.

Rome bows down to the stock of a tree. Rome prays to dead people. Rome puts Mary on the cross with Jesus. Rome turns a simple Jewish girl into the blasphemy of “the wife of the Holy Spirit.”

Rome believes good works are the basis for salvation, therefore Rome’s popes can freely kiss the Koran and tell the world muslims are saved just like Christians. Rome does not understand Scriptural justification, confusing it and fusing it with sanctification.

Rome is the only church on earth that has its own standing army.

Perhaps it needs it. Liars require force while the truth of God’s grace is self-evident to all those in receipt of it.

Yes. “Monastics bad.” They are ego-centered and dull of hearing, or else they would join the world and preach the Gospel to all men.

But monastics are a great example of what the church in Rome desires — blind obedience and male companionship.

What you encourage, you get more of.

Pity.


7,343 posted on 09/28/2010 6:04:12 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Yes. “Monastics bad.” They are ego-centered and dull of hearing, or else they would join the world and preach the Gospel to all men.

You said you had studied?

Do you think no monastics have ever preached? Or "joined the world"? You're conversing on the Trinity; are you familiar with the Cappadocian Fathers and their contributions to the First Council of Constantinople and the final version of the Nicene Creed? The Desert Fathers?

I believe you adhere to some of St. Augustine's writings. His life and conversion to Christianity was greatly influenced by reading the life of a particular saint. Are you familiar with this, or the saint? Do you know what St. Augustine converted his family house into?

They are ego-centered and dull of hearing... Rome teaches…

Are you certain you have studied any of this at all?

7,349 posted on 09/28/2010 6:46:20 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Rome teaches men to follow “another Christ.”

1 Corinthians 11: 1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.

Hebrews 13: 7 Remember your leaders who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teaching.

Paul tells us to imitate him and to imitate our leaders in the Church. Catholicism is true to Christ and the Reformed are not. Next?

Rome elevates eunuchs at the expense of married men and women

1 Corinthians 7: 6 This I say by way of concession, 4 however, not as a command. 7 Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am, but each has a particular gift from God, 5 one of one kind and one of another. 8 6 Now to the unmarried and to widows, I say: it is a good thing for them to remain as they are, as I do...

32 I should like you to be free of anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. 33 But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, 34 and he is divided. An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit. A married woman, on the other hand, is anxious about the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 35 I am telling you this for your own benefit, not to impose a restraint upon you, but for the sake of propriety and adherence to the Lord without distraction.

Matthew 19: 12 Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage 9 for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it."

Both Jesus and Paul teach us that it can be good to renounce marriage for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven. Once again, the Church is shown to follow Christ and the Reformed do not.

Rome bows down to the stock of a tree.

1 Corinthians 1: 17 7 8 For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with the wisdom of human eloquence, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its meaning. 18 The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

What is the meaning of the cross to the Reformed? Is is just foolishness? Sure seems to be.

Phillippians 3:17 11 Join with others in being imitators of me, 12 brothers, and observe those who thus conduct themselves according to the model you have in us. 18 For many, as I have often told you and now tell you even in tears, conduct themselves as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their end is destruction. Their God is their stomach; their glory is in their "shame." Their minds are occupied with earthly things.

Paul not only repeates his instruction to imitate him, but also that there are many who conduct themselves as enemies of the cross of Christ. Why do so many Reformed conduct themselves in this fashion?

Ephesians 2: 14 8 For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, 15 abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, that he might create in himself one new person 9 in place of the two, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile both with God, in one body, through the cross, putting that enmity to death by it.

The cross is vital to the death and ensuing Resurrection of Jesus.

Your claims about Catholicism are mixed. Some of them are simply ridiculous and you have been corrected numerous times by many different posters. Others are actually correct and proven using Scripture which the Reformed have jettisoned in their hubris.

7,355 posted on 09/28/2010 6:59:03 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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