Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
My "tone" is directed at various errors, faiths, practices and beliefs while yours is directed at individuals.
A difference which defines the rules. Learn them. Your posts will be better for them.
Oh, really?
They think He's a fairly good example of suffering so they inflict as much pain as possible on themselves and others in order to become as good and as suffering as Him.
Which Catholic told you that?
lol. No, Judith. My post was not discussing “our Armed Forces.”
My post said what it said, not what you think it said.
Oh, yes, your slightest wish is my command. HAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
ps, do you know what a "bossy" tone is?
That may be, but the comment, “Perhaps muslims aren’t such an enemy of Rome afteraall. Perhaps muslims serve a purpose of Rome by further destroying people and cultures which are not under Rome’s control” —
That comment is the same as saying Catholics use Moslems to kill people that the Church does not control.”
And that is really over the line. It’s one of the most malicious and false things I’ve ever read here. It disrespects our armed forces, our men and women serving in the military, those who have been killed by the enemy.
Ohh please Judith is that the best you can do..pick on my typos ? I hunt and peck ...
"These people are waiting to die. What are you telling them to prepare them for death and eternity? She replied candidly, 'We tell them to pray to their Bhagwan, to their gods.'"
Mother Teresa said in another letter: "The damned of hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I feel that God does not want me, that God is not God and that he does not really exist."
In her book, Life in the Spirit: Reflections, Meditations and Prayers, sThe six steps to peace taught by Mother Teresa are silence, prayer, faith, love, service, and peace. For anyone who was unsure of what they believed, she suggested starting with small acts of love towards others. She includes three pages of sample prayers and prefaces them by saying that if you are not a Christian you could replace the name “Jesus” with “God.” (Page 35). Through the entire book there is never a hint that she relies on Christ alone for her salvation. Rather we read things like, “I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic” (Page 31).In 184 pages, there was nothing stating that salvation was through Jesus alone.
"Mother" Teresa was both a pantheist and a Universalist -- Universalists maintain that Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and other non-Christians can get to heaven without saving faith in Christ; they are those who believe that all who sincerely follow their own religions or beliefs will be saved. "Mother" Teresa told Muslims and Jews that they worship the same God that Christians worship.
And you think that those few pages represented the entirety of her relationship with Christ?
How shallow!
I think that Natural Law's comment was directed to the indissoluble unity of the Trinity, while the quote focuses on Christ's human nature. I can't speak for NL, of course, and I don't really want to say any more. Seems to me a good likelihood that most, if not all, of the Christological heresies arise from someone imagining he understands the hypostatic union.
Dr. E, however, might take issue with this:
I know why He was abandoned of God. Do you? No, I cannot comprehend, I cannot at all fathom the depth of what is being revealed to us. Jesus abandoned by His God!
Anyway, she found Chesterton's use of the same formulation "maudlin" and wrong.
Wonderful quote, though!
And cut and paste.
wow. I’ve seen filthy scumbags posts on these threads before, but that pretty much takes the cake. Just when you thought someone hits rock bottom they go out and manage to find a new low. Sick.
Agreed.
Of course, the uncertain route leads through purgatory and additional suffering in its flames before the gates of heaven can be opened. But then, according to "Mother" Teresa, suffering is good. "Mother" Teresa (who herself, it should be noted, had checked into some of the finest and costliest clinics and hospitals in the West during her bouts with heart trouble and old age) once gave this game away in a filmed interview. She described a person who was in the last agonies of cancer and suffering unbearable pain. With a smile, "Mother" Teresa told the camera what she told this terminal patient: "You are suffering like Christ on the cross. So Jesus must be kissing you" (Hitchens, p. 41).
Pope John Paul II used to beat himself with a belt and sleep on a bare floor to bring himself closer to Christ, a book published Wednesday says.
The late pope had a particular belt for self-flagellation and brought it with him to his summer residence, according to the book, "Why he is a Saint: The True story of John Paul II."
In the second millennium, Saint Francis of Assisi, who is known to have received the stigmata, painful wounds like those of Jesus Christ, is said to have asked pardon to his body, whom he called Brother ***, for the severe self-afflicted penances he has done: vigils, fasts, frequent flagellations and the use of a hairshirt.
At the latter half of the 20th century, Saint Josemaría Escrivá practiced self-flagellation and used the cilice, a modern-day version of the hairshirt. Saint Pio of Pietrelcina, a modern-day saint who received the stigmata wrote in one of his letters: "Let us now consider what we must do to ensure that the Holy Spirit may dwell in our souls. It can all be summed up in mortification of the flesh with its vices and concupiscences, and in guarding against a selfish spirit... The mortification must be constant and steady, not intermittent, and it must last for one's whole life. Moreover, the perfect Christian must not be satisfied with a kind of mortification which merely appears to be severe. He must make sure that it hurts." Like St. Josemaria, Padre Pio and Mother Teresa of Calcutta used the cilice and discipline regularly as means of doing penance
So, your source for information on Mother Teresa is Chris Hitchens? Why am I not surprised?
Do you assume that Mother Teresa had the medication on hand to relieve the cancer patient’s pain? Who told you that she refused to give medication when she had it?
As far as ascetic practices go, I doubt you have any understanding at all, whatsoever.
That is so true of some on this thread.
Dr. E., I do believe that many of your posts are also directed at individuals, not just at “various errors, faiths, practices and beliefs”.
Such a post is your #6716 on this thread.
I do believe that many of your posts seem to me to be condescending and-—yes, bossy-—when you are posting to individuals.
I wish it weren’t so.
We? So now you think for Catholics and speak for Protestants. That's pretty impressive. Are you a mentalist, do voices in your head tell you what to say, or is this just tongue in cheek?
I am darned sure that somewhere out there there is a hen pecked husband that does...LOL
As best I can tell this nonsense originated on a site that cannot be linked on FR.
Some seem to think that there is some magic to saying the EXACT PHRASE, "I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior." If this is said publicly a person is saved no matter what they do, if it is never said publicly the person is damned. To them it's a lot like Dorothy saying, "There's no place like home" and clicking her heals to get back to Kansas.
Don't you criticize it when someone says "I know what Catholics think " and so now you criticize when someone says they wonder what Catholics think..
I know what I believed.. I wonder what others raised as catholics believe..
What do you think?
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