No, no, no, I was supposed to ask "on the floor?" and then you were supposed to say "no let me have it".
We are from different generations.
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Yep. And yet so far Bronx2 has not told us whether or not he/she has children.
Perhaps it's all theory to him/her.
We are from different generations.
Can a Unitarian be a Caturdayist? Caturdeist? Caturdayarian?
That is truer than people can imagine.
And sadly, it is still very true today.
I only question replies which appear to violate scriptural mandates. The only replies I received from you and others of your ilk appear to be questionable in their adherence to said mandates.
Do your replies adhere to the disposition and deportment that Paul instructs us to exhibit in 1Cor 13:4 et seq?
Do you really think your posts are replete with the love demanded by Jesus and mentioned in the aforementioned scriptural references?
Before the presumption of assuming "once saved always saved", an objective examination of conscience might well be in order.
I am curious as to the number of spouses each has had. Many leave the Church or attack it for below the belt reasons and believe that serial polygamy is perfectly OK.
Amen. If only more people saw that this is the main aim of the Obama presidency. Perhaps they will. May God make it so.
Amen, FK!!! The Republic depends on it.
The number of children one has is meaningless.
God does indeed open and close the womb. I’ve know people who’ve used various contraceptives and gotten pregnant anyway and people who’ve tried to have a family for years and either never had one or had only one.
Are you then disavowing any association with Christianity? Remember well Lk 12:9 or Mt 10:33 if you are a bible believing christian . If not a christian then the rules of civility as enunciated in our civil codes direct deportment. I will assume you are not a christian and proceed accordingly until otherwise notified.
You need to provide your definition of the use of the term “ Inappropriate” as utilized in your post. Your reply will then guide us as to how to proceed with the “Discovery Process” and how the Rules of Evidence are to be interpreted. We only ask this to adopt a greater sense of civility towards your posts.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism."
2455 The moral law forbids acts which, for commercial or totalitarian purposes, lead to the enslavement of human beings, or to their being bought, sold or exchanged like merchandise.
2499 Moral judgment must condemn the plague of totalitarian states which systematically falsify the truth, exercise political control of opinion through the media, manipulate defendants and witnesses at public trials, and imagine that they secure their tyranny by strangling and repressing everything they consider "thought crimes."
1883 Socialization also presents dangers. Excessive intervention by the state can threaten personal freedom and initiative. The teaching of the Church has elaborated the principle of subsidiarity, according to which "a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to co- ordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good."
1738 Freedom is exercised in relationships between human beings. Every human person, created in the image of God, has the natural right to be recognized as a free and responsible being. All owe to each other this duty of respect. The right to the exercise of freedom, especially in moral and religious matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of the human person. This right must be recognized and protected by civil authority within the limits of the common good and public order.
How many children do you have?
To 6490 - Excellent post. Thank you.
If they are not Christians then many of their posts make sense reflecting the secular humanistic agnostic bent of the day.
The one flatly refuses to be christian friends. Maybe if they get their UFO buddy they can explain more fully their belief systems.
Absolutely! It was also an imaginary event.
That's typical of Hollywood.
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." -- James 1:8
wagglebee: It's worth noting though that the Eastern Orthodox DO BELIEVE that the Blessed Mother lived a life without sin.
I was just about to reply to Mom's post when I noticed yours being spot on. The East most certainly believes in the perpetual dignity and sinless purity of Mary as long as she lived on earth.
Many Catholics and Protestants are also unaware that the Orthodox understanding of that nature of Original Sin and its consequences are quite different from ours. Catholic and Protestant beliefs regarding Original Sin are based on the teachings of St. Augustine and the Orthodox reject a lot of these teachings.
Exactly. The East does not see our fallen nature as obliterating our free will. As Serbian Patriarch Pavle once wrote: "God made us human; we don't have to be inhuman." Thus, Mary, being a fallen human being like the rest of us, freely chose to obey God and was not "programmed" or "fabricated" to be perfectly obedient. Immaculate concept, however, implies otherwise.
Without the Original Sin, and being full of grace, Mary is a pre-Fall human who is ontologically different from us, disgraced, fallen humans. As undefiled pre-Fall human, her obedience was natural. So, what are we to gain from looking up to her? She is not like the rest of us and we can't be like she is. Our natures are not the same.
But if we look at Mary as a fallen human being, as the East sees her, then her exceptional purity and obedience become an insurmountable feat of sainthood and hope for all mankind. We don't have to be inhuman and Mary proves that it can be done. But if she is ontologically pre-Fall human, then her sainthood is not a big achievement; she is merely the way man was intended to be.
Just a thought is God sovereign over anything in the Catholic mind?
To pretend that God was surprised by the fall in Eden is nothing more than scriptural ignorance. To pretend that Satan and his demons are the equal to God in their power here is nothing more than scriptural ignorance. To pretend that God is not sovereign over all the angels, even the fallen ones is nothing more than scriptural ignorance.
To pretend that God is not a God of Justice and wrath is a matter of scriptural ignorance .
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
"To call sin rebellion against God is “shallow and insulting to the human being,” writes one Christian author. As much as I appreciate this individual’s sincerity, I am deeply concerned aboutthe perspective he and many others are advocating.It’s unbiblical. It hinders us from understanding the seriousness of sin, the reality of wrath, and the necessity of the Cross.
What was the primary purpose of the Cross? Just this: It was there that Jesus satisfied the fierce and holy wrath of Almighty God which we would otherwise have experienced. God’s accumulated and justified anger fell, in all its power and severity, not on us who deserved it, but on his Son. Jesus didn’t just save us from our sin— he saved us from God himself."C.J. Mahaney
And THAT is the good news..
Of course the East is familair with the dogma of the Immaculate Conception, but the East never dealt with it theologically or lyturgically.
God is sovereign over ever child conceived .. there are no accidents in Gods economy.
Psa 127:3 Lo, children [are] an heritage of the LORD: [and] the fruit of the womb [is his] reward.
God alone opens and closes the womb ...
(Gen. 20:17-18, Gen. 30:22)
I do not believe that one needs to use birth control, I believe God has ordained our families.. But do i think it is a sin to use birth control? The sin is not the birth control but man thinking he is in control
On the contrary. What you're displaying is not appropriate Christian behavior.
It never ceases to amaze me how Catholics present themselves as so much holier than thou and then stoop to such questionable levels of engagement and pretend to be such concerned, compassionate Christians. All they are is good Catholics, which is not the same thing.
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