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To: stfassisi
These types of statements confuse the Trinity as if they are not united and CO-Equal LOVE..Thus, come across as the Trinity consisting of a God who is wrath, the other who is only sacrificial satisfaction and would thus leave the Holy Spirit as wrathfully sacrificial.Thus, the angry God needed to be satisfied of His anger by sacrificing God the Son for something He created(mankind)for the sin

Just a thought is God sovereign over anything in the Catholic mind?

To pretend that God was surprised by the fall in Eden is nothing more than scriptural ignorance. To pretend that Satan and his demons are the equal to God in their power here is nothing more than scriptural ignorance. To pretend that God is not sovereign over all the angels, even the fallen ones is nothing more than scriptural ignorance.

To pretend that God is not a God of Justice and wrath is a matter of scriptural ignorance .
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

"To call sin rebellion against God is “shallow and insulting to the human being,” writes one Christian author. As much as I appreciate this individual’s sincerity, I am deeply concerned aboutthe perspective he and many others are advocating.It’s unbiblical. It hinders us from understanding the seriousness of sin, the reality of wrath, and the necessity of the Cross.
What was the primary purpose of the Cross? Just this: It was there that Jesus satisfied the fierce and holy wrath of Almighty God which we would otherwise have experienced. God’s accumulated and justified anger fell, in all its power and severity, not on us who deserved it, but on his Son. Jesus didn’t just save us from our sin— he saved us from God himself."
C.J. Mahaney

And THAT is the good news..

6,497 posted on 09/20/2010 3:41:17 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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To: RnMomof7; Kolokotronis; Legatus; kosta50; MarkBsnr

“”To pretend that God is not a God of Justice and wrath is a matter of scriptural ignorance””

True SCRIPTURAL wrath and justice is not how Calvin viewed it because God being love can never cease being love OR GOD WOULD BE CHANGED(”For I am the Lord, and I change not”-Malachi 3:6 and “1 John 4:8 “God is love”). The wrath is the person being tortured by God’s infinite love due to hatred of Love

Love is the utmost torture and wrath to grave sinners,those in hell and the devil

Kolokotronis posted this excellent post showing how the Church Fathers understood this...
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:kolokotronis/index?more=71407381

Here is what +Symeon the New Theologian says about the Final Judgment:

“In the future life the Christian is not examined if he has renounced the whole world for Christ’s love, or if he has distributed his riches to the poor or if he fasted or kept vigil or prayed, or if he wept and lamented for his sins, or if he has done any other good in this life, but he is examined attentively if he has any similitude with Christ, as a son does with his father.”

In all events, it is God’s Love, not an instrument or instruments of torture, which is the “end” of the Final Judgment.

“I say that those who are suffering in hell, are suffering in being scourged by love.... It is totally false to think that the sinners in hell are deprived of God’s love. Love is a child of the knowledge of truth, and is unquestionably given commonly to all. But love’s power acts in two ways: it torments sinners, while at the same time it delights those who have lived in accord with it” +Isaac the Syrian (Homily 84)


6,523 posted on 09/20/2010 5:35:37 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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