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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: individualliberty
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To: RnMomof7; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; Campion; don-o; Mrs. Don-o; ...
So the issue of birth control is relatively unimportant in the scheme of Gods plans

If God ordained a child it will be, no matter birth control,or tubal ligation or vasectomy or hysterectomy

Are you prepared to use this same logic to justify abortion? And assuming you aren't, why not?

6,461 posted on 09/20/2010 2:07:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Cronos
And, in all of these discussions about the Trinity — what do YOU, as a Unitarian believe in regarding the Trinity? Don’t unitarians deny the Trinity and the divinity of Christ?

Did the Sixth Ecumenical Council declare "INFALLIBLY" that Honorius was guilty of Heresy?

6,462 posted on 09/20/2010 2:11:28 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for the ping. I’m flabbergasted.


6,463 posted on 09/20/2010 2:12:45 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: count-your-change; Dr. Eckleburg
Ahhhh...for the good old days when Bing Crosby wore a collar and choir boys kept their mouths shut.

And the Catholic propaganda machine controlled Hollywood.

6,464 posted on 09/20/2010 2:15:49 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: bronx2

No.


6,465 posted on 09/20/2010 2:16:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg

I don’t understand your position here.

Clarify it, please.

If one chooses tubal ligation or vasectomy, that is not a premeditated, willful, human-and-not-divine choice?

I also am the parent of a large family. However, I won’t say that has made me bold, rather than “shy”.

I also don’t believe Dr. E. is shy.


6,466 posted on 09/20/2010 2:18:28 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: OLD REGGIE
Your cut and paste without attribution

They do that a lot.

Maybe it stems from the fact they're used to following the orders of men and not questioning what is written.

They believe according to human authority whereas Christians believe according to faith.

Apples/oranges.

6,467 posted on 09/20/2010 2:20:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg
Let me give an illustration that you will hopefully be able to understand: Let's say that there is a person who continually says that 2+2=7. This person is told countless times that the correct answer to 2+2 is 4, yet they insist on saying that 2+2=7.

Now, at some point a reasonable person will have no choice but to reach one of two conclusions:

A. That the person lacks the requisite intellect to grasp even remedial mathematics.
or
B. That the person is a habitual liar.

How would YOU label such a person?

A WAGGLER!

6,468 posted on 09/20/2010 2:23:59 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; bronx2
How many OPCers does the OPC boast of again?

they are only 28,000 people as of 2005 and still showing a downward trend in adherents, Their own website http://opc.org/GA/73rd_GA_rpt_topical.html says":
In 2005 three congregations withdrew from the OPC to join the Presbyterian Church in America, one of which was a rather large congregation, resulting in a net loss of members for the OPC in 2005. The membership of the OPC has remained at about 28,000 for more than two years, which is a cause of concern.
so they make a lot of noise for such a small grouping and don't regard even their fellow Presbyterians well.

Some Calvinists even go so far as to Accuse Methodists and Arminians of having a Satanic gospel

And, you have the Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott telling OPCers to quit the OPC, so it's due for it's third split soon, probably a terminal one, or the OPC may join the PCUSA.
6,469 posted on 09/20/2010 2:25:05 PM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: RnMomof7
Maybe Dr E is shy, but as the mother of SEVEN I am not

ROTFLOL!

Yeah. Shy. 8~)

Amen to your Scriptural, eloquent post.

"And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me" -- Hebrews 2:13

6,470 posted on 09/20/2010 2:26:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
You wrote “The issue of birth control is RELATIVELY unimportant in the scheme of Gods Plans” WHAT an ADMISSION AGAINST SELF INTEREST

1.You admit to being a relativist just like the secular humanistic agnostic bunch

2 You need to read Gn 1:28 when God disabuses one who thinks birth control is a relative matter

3.Your deterministic mantra is tantamount to denying the existence of sin. I wouldn't have time to list how that contradicts the message of Jesus

You need to keep your nose in the bible and pray for an indwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide you since the post you just made points not to God but to the prince of the nether world.

Surrender your life to Jesus not to the agnostic world.

6,471 posted on 09/20/2010 2:26:28 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Lol. Still hoisted by their own petards.

8~)


6,472 posted on 09/20/2010 2:28:59 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: bronx2; RnMomof7; OLD REGGIE; metmom

You demand and receive answers from everyone else.

So how many children do you have?


6,473 posted on 09/20/2010 2:31:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OLD REGGIE
"History according to Natural Law? Karl Mark died in 1883, almost 50 years before your "proof" dates."

I offered no proof dates, I only offered an affirmation of the concept embedded within the Catechism. The concept predates Marx by at least 600 years. Although the term "social justice" was adopted by the Jesuit Luigi Taparelli in the 1840s. The concept is largely based on the works of St. Thomas Aquinas and is grounded in Thomistic metaphysics.

Now that you have been made aware of your error all subsequent repetitions will legitimately be classified as lies. Keep trying. Sooner or later you are bound to get something right.

6,474 posted on 09/20/2010 2:33:25 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
"And the Catholic propaganda machine controlled Hollywood."

Thats probably why John Wayne converted.

6,475 posted on 09/20/2010 2:35:50 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: D-fendr

Consensus!

No small thing. 8~)


6,476 posted on 09/20/2010 2:36:52 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Running On Empty
"I also don’t believe Dr. E. is shy."

There, fixed it for you.

6,477 posted on 09/20/2010 2:37:02 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: bronx2; Dr. Eckleburg; Religion Moderator
As a fundamentalist woman care to share your thoughts on contraception with the group. It might do well for you to inform us of your practices in this area as to spiritually enlighten us concerning the ultra protestant position in this regard.

I have rarely ever seen a post as inappropriate as this one. It's absolutely inexcusable asking for that kind of information.

Are we not just all Christians friends?

I doubt it.

6,478 posted on 09/20/2010 2:37:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Consensus!

Of what and how determined?

6,479 posted on 09/20/2010 2:38:42 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: wagglebee

Your hypothetical is based on fallacy, so try again.


6,480 posted on 09/20/2010 2:38:42 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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