Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[samiam1972]

It’s a shame no one bothered to show up. Looks like a family gathering at my house. ;o)

[wagglebee]

It’s a shame no one bothered to show up. Looks like a family gathering at my house.

Show a little respect, the anti-Catholic FReepers are up for the Baghdad Bob Lifetime Achievement Award and they need all the support they can get.

[kosta50]

• Harley D: Now, does any of us here think we love the Lord with all our hearts, soul and mind? Does anybody here really love their neighbor as themselves? I would suggest we fail on both accounts.

  maryz: Did anyone, anywhere ever suggest that we succeed perfectly? It's the goal toward which we strive

Precisely, and that's what Judaism is all about: a goal to honestly try, even if you honestly fail, to keep all the commandments. The idea is not that he must succeed one hundred percent, but to try one hundred percent of the time.

• So what does "love of neighbor" mean?

In the OT, it means that you should treat another Jew as yourself. Christians expanded "a Jew" to mean "fellow man," to recognize, as you say, that each human being is God's creature capable of being saved through the sacrifice made on the cross.

[kosta50]

What if you assume there are only two kinds of humans, an on/off.

Why is then the "off" human being sent to hell and the "on" human (the one who is actually consciously sinning (!) is "saved"???

[bronx2]

It appears that the reports you mentioned anticipating smaller crowds for the papal visit were exaggerated. Now perhaps is the time for you to accept the Truth who is Jesus in your life and allow the scales of spiritual blindness to fall from your eyes as they did for Paul.

Ian Paisley was in town to greet the Pope so what prevented you from embracing the Truth excising the bigoted ways of a sinful former existence.

Accept Jesus not the lies of Satan.

[Iscool]

In view of this, I would like to ask the RM to check out this source from the links given, and decide if it can be used as a source on FR. With no difficulty, I and others found blatant white supremicist type comments.

I didn't see any racist comments...So post the racist comments you found...You make a serious accusation...Let's see evidence...

[bkaycee]

Accept Jesus not the lies of Satan.

Born Again believers is Christ HAVE accepted Jesus as their only Savior.

Do you really mean accept the Pope and the magisterium?

[wagglebee]

Actually, Paisley was there to protest. He managed to get 200 others to protest with him:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ian-paisley-shows-that-romes-enemies-arent-all-secular-2081691.html

I have no doubt that a group of 200 Calvinist bigots would seem like a huge crowd to someone who was accustomed to a typical OPC congregation of 61.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Nope. Yesterday I read in three papers that 50,000 turned out for his speech at the Newman whatever which is the lower estimate I quoted.

And those "six terrorist street cleaners" were all released with no charges against them.

Oops.

[wagglebee]

Here is a quote from one of the protesters that anti-Catholic bigots are so excited about:

"He looks like a kindly old man, but I am sure Hitler could be perfectly charming at times, too," said Anne Hay, 57, an adult literacy teacher who was on her first demonstration. "I believe in liberal values and the Pope stands for everything that is against those values – rights for women, allowing them to have control over their own bodies, and rights for gay people – and that is before you even start on the paedophile issue," she said.

[bronx2]

Born again believers have only accepted their own prideful sinful self serving interpretation of scripture. These born again hypocrites have Jesus on their lips but not in their heart. They would do well to read Mt 7:21

It would bode well for these born again hypocrites to read MK 8:15 or PS 1i5 5:7 or PS 135:16.

At the final judgment will Jesus, when addressing these born again hypocrites, utter the same destiny for them as He did for Judas in MT 26:24? Terrible outcome for these born again unless some repentance is evidenced.

God bless

[OLD REGGIE]

Simply put, papal infallibility is thanks to the grace of the Holy Spirit when

1.the Pope solemnly declares i.e. TEACHES
2.
3.a teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation, he, under the Holy Spirit's protection is preserved from even the possibility of theological, dogmatic error.

I'll go with number 2. (To be determined as required.)

The Sixth Ecumenical Council infallibly found Honorius guilty of Heresy and Excommunicated him.

The Catholic Church has a unique practice of "Retroactive Definition" in order to explain away past practice.

By his letters Honorius taught error.

[Natural Law]

"That'll leave a mark."

Don't count on it. You can't shame the shameless.

[servantboy777]

ping

[OLD REGGIE]

Time to drop it?

[trisham]

The protests against the Pope were with regards to his position on homosexuality, abortion and other social matters. The only reasonable thing that I can conclude is that the anti-Catholic FReepers who cheer these protesters are doing so because they ALSO support militant homosexualism and abortion.

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You make a good point.

[Cronos]

A very clear note is that Honorius never issued a dogmatic decree in regards to the controversy of Christ's wills

Honorius wrote that, "on account of the simplicity of man and to avoid controversies, we must, as I have already said, define neither one nor two operations in the mediator between God and man" (Scripta dilectissimi filii quoted by William Shaw Kerr in A Handbook on the Papacy 196, emphasis added). he basically said "let's keep quiet and not support either side as that will only cause mischeif"

In order for the case of Honorius to disprove the doctrine of papal infallibility as defined by the First Vatican Council, it is not sufficient to claim the pope was a monothelite. It must be demonstrated (which it cannot) that the pope taught (note: taught, explicitly) heresy as defined by Vatican I (The pope must exercise his office as "teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority," and he must define a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be "held by the whole Church" (Pastor aeternus 4, iv, quoted in The Church Teaches, John F. Clarkson, S.J. et. al, ed., 102).

Remember what we said of "A pope’s private theological opinions are not infallible, only what he solemnly defines is considered to be infallible teaching" Honorius did not teach Monothelitism, all the facts, every history shows that he did NOT teach Monothelitism

[Natural Law]

"The Catholic Church has a unique practice of "Retroactive Definition" in order to explain away past practice."

The Church has repeatedly demonstrated to review and correct past mistakes. This is in stark contrast to whatever moonbat cult you belong to whose member appears to dodge every question and not anything of substance.

[Cronos]

papal infallibility is thanks to the grace of the Holy Spirit when
1.the Pope solemnly declares i.e. TEACHES
2. a teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation,

he, under the Holy Spirit's protection is preserved from even the possibility of theological, dogmatic error.

Pope Honorius did NOT teach Monothelitism in any way, as a solemn teaching to the Church.

Honorius' failing was that he did not condemn the followers of Monothelitism --> he basically said "let's keep quiet and not support either side as that will only cause mischeif"("on account of the simplicity of man and to avoid controversies, we must, as I have already said, define neither one nor two operations in the mediator between God and man"
B Hence there is no question of Honorius and papal infallibility as he never taught for or against the heresy (his failing and why he was rightly condemned was because he did not teach against it, but said shhh)

The council rightly ANATHEMIZED Honorius because Honorius failed to be a bishop and teach against the heresy

[bronx2]

It is time you were held to reality. CBS reported crowds in excess of 65,000 while the NT Times , hardly a papal advocate described the crowds as "Large and Enthusiastic".Perhaps you relied on reports from Bob Jones University. Truth is an important elements which appears to have been the victim of your response.

For a true Christian the focus is not on crowds but on the message. Read Jn 6 65:66. The message of Jesus is rendered notwithstanding the reaction of the popular cultural view.

In like manner, the Pope's message is a contrarian view from that of our secular humanistic agnostic culture and their allies the bigoted fundamentalists/ evangelicals

It would be well for you to accept Jesus as your savior!!