Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Are you suggesting that the 911 thugs said to themselves, “Let’s do something wrong.”
I think they thought they were doing good.
I thought that Catholic doctrine never changes? I quoted to you from a Catholic Catechism...no commitment to a loving God, but a clear statement
Q. 631. Is Baptism necessary to salvation?
A. Baptism is necessary to salvation, because without it we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.
The Baltimore Catchecism [1891]
So if Catholic doctrine is never changing this says CLEARLY that an unbaptized baby can not enter heaven, ir there is no "limbo" there is only one other place..hell
So...what do YOU say we do to be saved?
Calvinist say NOTHING. Either one is elect, and will be irresistibly saved, or not, in which case you will never repent.
“Unconditional Election
God’s choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world rested solely in His own sovereign will. His choice of particular sinners was not based on any foreseen response or obedience on their part, such as faith, repentance, etc. On the contrary, God gives faith and repentance to each individual whom He selected. These acts are the result, not the cause of God’s choice. Election therefore was not determined by or conditioned upon any virtuous quality or act foreseen in man. Those whom God sovereignly elected He brings through the power of the Spirit to a willing acceptance of Christ. Thus God’s choice of the sinner, not the sinner’s choice of Christ, is the ultimate cause of salvation.”
http://www.monergism.com/directory/link_category/Calvinism/The-Five-Points-of-Calvinism/
That paragraph can be summed up as “By Grace, Thru Election”. God chooses to save you, or not, and “His choice of particular sinners was not based on any foreseen response or obedience on their part, such as faith, repentance, etc.”
Actually all men are commanded to repent and believe.. the question is can they?
the devils also believe. Are they then saved?
But where did your faith come from?
I was in the military. If I gave an order that could not be obeyed, the fault was with me, not my men.
And if I commanded them “Clean the Latrine”, it didn’t mean I was about to clean it for them...
Where do my evil desires come from? Me, or does God impose them on me?
I vote Door #1...
The devils are past the time where believing could save them, as are men once they die. But there will come a day where EVERY knee shall bow...willing or not.
Faith is a gift from God.
That doesn’t answer the question. How is your belief any different than theirs?
The Catholic church for the most part is composed of societal Catholics.. where the faith is a family tradition.. those tend to be non attenders or "Sunday Catholics". On any given Sunday the church will be full of cafeteria catholics that pick and choose what they want to believe and are about as subject to Rome as you and I are..
Most Catholics are their own pope ...
So it breaks me up when they try to tear apart Evangelicals for having some doctrinal differences. We might bicker about the order of salvation , but we hold 80 or 90 % of our doctrine in common.. our differences have nothing to do with our faith in Christ alone, the center of our faith.
“Faith is a gift from God.”
Except no scripture says that, and I’m a Sola Scriptura kind of guy...your sacred tradition means nothing to me. Dang Baptist!
Their beliefs are compelled. Mine are not. In spite of what Calvin taught.
so you are boasting?
Nope. I don’t think I’m some special person chosen from before time to be God’s favorite. I’m just a sinner who heard the Gospel, and asked God to forgive me and change me. And after 40 years, I still need a LOT of changing.
Now you would not be calling me a liar would you?
631. Is Baptism necessary to salvation?
A. Baptism is necessary to salvation, because without it we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So where does an unbaptized baby go fassisi? Limbo?..Oh wait the catholic church no longer teaches the non doctrinal limbo... so the other choice is??????
Ya'll need to make up your minds. Are Catholics mindless robots incapable of independent thought who only parrot the Vatican line or are we each our own Pope, each determining our own personal interpretation of Scripture and Tradition? Your "Taste Great / Less Filling" type of debate is confusing.
Something about this verse just struck me. Paul was speaking to the Thessalonians, right? He was speaking to the entire assembly there in Thessalonica and, like many churches even today, there are tares among the wheat, so could it be possible that some of those that Paul was addressing were not saved?
I am in agreement with what Mr. Rogers says regarding the foreknowledge of God not being the same as him making us as his robots incapable of actions of our own will. God foreordained that all who come to Christ in faith will be conformed into the image of Christ. He has preordained that belief in the truth results in sanctification and justification to eternal life and because he is not bound by time, he has seen it all before it even came to be - he knows the end from the beginning and nothing is hidden from him. Maybe the problem is in trying to "over-think" an idea instead of accepting that not all things are able to be understood with the finite, mortal mind.
Jesus told his disciple, who wanted him to explain it all, that he had told them of earthly things and they didn't believe. How would they believe if he told them of heavenly things?
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