Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Did you READ my answer?
Is it really OUR faith that saves us or Christ?
Youngs literal translation
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] **by faith OF Jesus Christ** unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, **but by the faith OFJesus Christ,*** even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that*** the promise by faith OF Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.***
Phl 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through*** the faith of Christ, ***the righteousness which is of God by faith:
I think his can be seen in two ways.
1) That Jesus, in faith and obedience, went to the cross and died having faith that the Father would keep the covenant of salvation and that He would show His acceptance of the propitiation through the resurrection.
So that by HIS FAITH we are saved
or/and
2)That we believe on the promises because of His faith that is given to us as a spiritual gift
The KJV often uses the term faith in Christ as well as the faith OF Christ. The translators are selective where they use that phrase.
The KJV used what many consider the superior Textus Receptus translations...Youngs is a Literal Greek translation
BTW the Catholic Douay Rheims translation says ..(guess what ???
***Faith OF Christ***
Galatians 2
16 But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but **by the faith OF Jesus Christ;*** we also believe in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Philippians 3
9 And may be found in him, not having my justice, which is of the law,*** but that which is of the faith OF Christ Jesus,*** which is of God, justice in faith:
Romans 3
22 Even the justice of God,** by faith OF Jesus Christ,** unto all and upon all them that believe in him: for there is no distinction:
Romans 3
26 Through the forbearance of God, for the shewing of his justice in this time; that he himself may be just, and the justifier of him, who is ***OF the faith of Jesus Christ.**
To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,+++ to another faith by the same Spirit,+++ to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit... (1 Cor. 12:8-9 )
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly,++++ according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.+++
If God has given a different measure of faith to every man..that sure sounds like a gift to me
How is believing in the words of the bible in which so little of her is mentioned, insulting? Heap all the praises you want to on her, but call it poetry not theology
Good of you to say so. I will be leaving shortly and will be back when my insomnia strikes tonight.
Which Jewish people? The Sadducees? the Alexandrian Jews? The Essenes? The Samaritans? The Pharisees? I hope you realize they all different canons and beliefs. Now which one has monopoly on being the most Jewish when it comes to the "Old" Testament?
The Christian OT was based from the beginning on the Septuagint (LXX). The NT writers quotes from it almost exclusively. The Church accepted it whole, "apocrypha" included.
The NT is Gods revelation to the church
Last time I checked, the "New" Testament was also revealed to the Jews unless you know of any non-Jewish Apostles in Jesus' party.
And, save for the handful of them, the Jews rejected it as fraud.
Well NEVER CHANGING Catholic doctrine says they will go to hell...so the authors conclusion is worth nothing
I believed the person telling the story.
I know people whom Catholic idiots refused to baptize because they were illegitimate. (They found less idiotic catholics to do the deed.) I think that’s disgusting too. I know an Orthodox guy I buried back in my pepsicola days because, in his acute but organic depression, he killed himself and the Orthodox priest wouldn’t touch him.
There’s plenty of shame to go around.
Human belief, the type that arises from men, is not saving faith. Many "believed" in Christ and his miracles and walked away.
If there is no limbo your choice is heaven or hell, and YOUR church teaches one can not go to heaven unless they are baptized..
154. Q. Is Baptism necessary to salvation?
A. Baptism is necessary to salvation, because without it we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I do not believe I have ever said..so you are not confused :)
well you see how it goes. And some believe what is published in books. Or what Pope's write
That was not a Christian church, no matter what they called themselves..
Where did you ever hear that?
Ah, coy.. :)
Ok, based on your posts, I'm assuming you do not.
If a man gets to choose God, does God get to choose men? Or does God have less free will then men?
Your apology is very important to us.
Please stay on the line and your apology will be accepted in the order in which it was received.
[scratchy recording of post menopausal soprano singing Ave Maria]
This week we have tacky little glowing wall crosses on special. Buy one for yourself and several for your friends.
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Fabulous four color edition of the Catechism available know. New, Vatican approved diagrams make clear the relationship between the will and enabling and sanctifying grace.
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Join our pilgrimage travel club! This month only get double "indulgence miles" for every plane flight you book under this service. Like grace, joining is free, and easy. Just stay on the line.
(repeat ad nauseam.)
yea there are times I would like to make it up as I go along too..
Correct. First Christians have no clue what 1st century Judaims was or what modern Judiams is. Second, Jewish scripture has been "canonized" from the very start because the only sacred books in the whole so-called "Old Testament" (Tanakh) are the five books of Moses, believed to be the Torah (or teaching) that was 'written' by God himself before the world existed. It is eternal and it cannot be fulfilled. It is the only part of the Jewish Bible that, when read, everyone stands. The rest of the Jewish Bible is secondary and only repeats what the Torah has already said. So, there was no need or urgency or desire to close the "canon," because THE canon is closed eternally. There is but one canon in Judaism and that is the Torah. Everything esle is only a repetition.
A sample showing faith (believing in Jesus) is what we do as a result of something, not something God gives us against our will:
Mat 21:32 “For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds and believe him.
Mar 16:14 Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen.
Luk 24:25 And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Jhn 20:8 Then the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed;
Jhn 20:29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Jhn 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Act 9:42 And it became known throughout all Joppa, and many believed in the Lord.
Act 15:7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
Rom 10:14 But how are they to call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
1Cr 3:5 What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each.
2Ti 3:15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Mat 8:13 And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.
Mat 9:28 When he entered the house, the blind men came to him, and Jesus said to them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” They said to him, “Yes, Lord.”
Luk 8:50 But Jesus on hearing this answered him, “Do not fear; only believe, and she will be well.”
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith.
Mat 9:2 And behold, some people brought to him a paralytic, lying on a bed. And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven.”
Jhn 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Jhn 3:15 “that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:18 “Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Jhn 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
Jhn 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.
Jhn 6:40 “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Jhn 6:47 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
Jhn 7:38 “Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Rom 3:22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Gal 3:6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
1Pe 2:7 So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
There are, of course, many more. Faith is what we have when we exercise belief in God, and no where is it presented as a gift God gives regardless of man’s will.
And if faith was a gift given us by God so we would irresistibly believe, shouldn’t it be mentioned somewhere? At least once? The irresistible gift of faith?
And all Catholics agree with the church doctrine 100% ..Ummm
There are far more differences between the beliefs of the Catholics that sit in a pew on Sunday than between Evangelical Protestants..
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