Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I believe, under Calvinism, it matters not a bit what church they belong to. They have no choice anyway, so it's moot.
Calvinism 101: God is the author of sin. Man is not responsible for his actions.
MAD DAWG: Of course. I have said so.
Saying and doing are two different things.
There you go again
By saying this you have made God into a monster who DECIDES on creating evil.
How does God decide anyway since He knows the outcome?Is He NOT sure in the first place and needs to make a decision because He does not understand Himself ,thus making Him not ALL knowing?
If God created evil than evil is part of the essence of God.Thus,by this belief Christ has evil in Him as part of His essence since the second person of the Trinity is God incarnate.
Horrific! Don't you even see the error in all this!
Augustine writes, God has decided it is “better to bring good out of evil, than not to permit any evil to exist
Augustine says there God creates every being GOOD and there is no evil in anything God creates
From Augustine...
Thus there can be no evil where there is no good. This leads us to a surprising conclusion: that, since every being, in so far as it is a being, is good, if we then say that a defective thing is bad, it would seem to mean that we are saying that what is evil is good, that only what is good is ever evil and that there is no evil apart from something good. Therefore, if anyone says that simply to be a man is evil... he rightly falls under the prophetic judgment: woe to him who calls evil good and good evil. For this amounts to finding fault with God's work, because man is an entity of God's creation."
Dr E””-LOL. So what “just penalty...Will the RCC send them to bed with no supper? Burn them at the stake? “”
I can answer this from experience after being a protestant for many years.
I contritely confessed my sinful error’s and was given a penance of saying prayers.The Priest said to me your sins are forgiven and welcome back dear brother.
I felt the burden lifted from my soul and never even once had the same inclination to the sins that seemed to be impossible for me to overcome.
My greatest sins became my greatest of virtues to the point they don’t exist even in my mind as temptations or thoughts
The Sacrament of Confession is Awesome -Praise Jesus!
You believe incorrectly. As for what Calvinists believe, first read this...
Then read this...
Or this...
Pity that you didn't believe Paul when He said it. (Note the confession is made to God, and not to men.)
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." -- Romans 10:9
Augustine says there God creates every being GOOD and there is no evil in anything God creates
lol. Talk about error. Look what you just wrote. "there is no evil in anything God creates."
Is there evil in you? Are you sinless? Did God create you or not? Did God create Obama? Judas? All men?
Your ideology ends up in universalism and nothingness. It is not only unScriptural, it is completely illogical.
Judged by a modernist and un united in the faith of many anti Catholic's that believe as you do
Thankfully, we have the Bible to illustrate what the early church was like
This is an illustration what scraps that are left of originals,the rest comes from the Church you say is riddled with heresy and Gnosticism.
The reality is that you are putting your faith in the NT in that Church you bash
Yes, but He did not create sin because sin can only HAPPEN in TIME and by FREE WILL of the SINNER.
If God sin than God is a sinner and it would be His essence ,thus making God not perfection.
Calvin was a brainless fool BY CHOICE!
“If God sin than God is a sinner” should say “if God CREATED sin than God is a sinner”
It’s way to late for me to still be up,I’m going to bed
The NT text has far better support than you indicate. See this OLD thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2316798/posts
Double predestination is a lot simpler than all that.
Does it matter, in Calvinism, for your salvation which church you choose?
Augustine says there God creates every being GOOD and there is no evil in anything God creates
These questions are simple, and God willing, maybe they can lead you to the truth.
Did God create Judas? Was there evil in Judas?
Did God create you? Is there evil in you?
Or are you sinless?
Did God create Satan?
The greater truth is that all things are under the sovereign Lordship of Jesus Christ.
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." -- Colossians 1:16-17"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
This is GOOD news for the Christian. The fact that God controls this life and that we have been freely adopted by Him is a splendid, merciful fact of existence. Christians shouldn't listen to anyone who denies them that blessed security.
In Calvinism this means controls his ability to choose or reject sin or even the near occasions of sin.
In Calvinism, god sins by proxy.
I should have, the kicker: From the womb.
I like what the WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH says about the church (Chapter 25 of 32)...
I. The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of Him that fills all in all.[1] II. The visible Church, which is also catholic or universal under the Gospel (not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion;[2] and of their children:[3] and is the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ,[4] the house and family of God,[5] out of which there is no ordinary possibility of salvation.[6] III. Unto this catholic visible Church Christ has given the ministry, oracles, and ordinances of God, for the gathering and perfecting of the saints, in this life, to the end of the world: and does, by His own presence and Spirit, according to His promise, make them effectual thereunto.[7] IV. This catholic Church has been sometimes more, sometimes less visible.[8] And particular Churches, which are members thereof, are more or less pure, according as the doctrine of the Gospel is taught and embraced, ordinances administered, and public worship performed more or less purely in them.[9] V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error;[10] and some have so degenerated, as to become no Churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan.[11] Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth to worship God according to His will.[12] VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ.[13] Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof...
Of the Church
I'll omit the last sentence, in the spirit of fellowship. 8~)
Double predestination says you’re doomed or saved in the womb - and there’s nothing that can change that, not changing churches.
If someone doomed in the womb leaves the Catholic Church for a “bible-believing” church, can they possibly be saved?
If some saved in the womb becomes a strong Catholic, says his rosary 100 times a day, believes all that you believe about the Church is true, can that person possibly lose his salvation?
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