Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[1000 silverlings]

never heard of him. I was googling Mary in Catholic theology and the trinity

[Legatus]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Trinity is 3 persons in one God, not 3 persons and a symbol

Are we really gonna do this? You aren't going to seriously assert after having the symbol of the Holy Ghost pointed out to you that somehow you're familiar enough with iconography to deny that the dove is the universally used symbol of the Holy Ghost?

I never should have said duck, I should have said goose because it looks like we're about to chase a wild one. Only I'm not going. This is entirely too silly... wait! PARROT! I should have said parrot! Then at least we could have discussed whether it was dead or not.

OR POSSIBLY PINING FOR THE FJORDS!

[Quix]

Naw.

Ducks are more fun.

[1000 silverlings]

Doesn't matter how y'all want to fight over one picture, Catholic theology has 3 persons in the Trinity and the Holy Spirit (the "white thing" you called Him)hovering nearby or out of the picture altogether as Mary is now "the Advocate".

Fjords? I never called Mary a pet rabbit.

[wagglebee]

never heard of him.

Yet you posted what his website said as authoritative.

I was googling Mary in Catholic theology and the trinity [sic]

And you happened to find something that made a point you were after on an anti-Catholic website?

[Cronos]

Some “primitive Baptist” churches in the early US were filled by Jews who fled the Spanish Inquisition in Spain.

That's interesting --I've never read or heard anything like that before. Though, the early US dates from the 1600s and were mostly English, while the Inquisition was already fading by the late 1600s and was in Spain.

[1000 silverlings]

Yes the Jews tried pretending to convert to Catholicism but the Catholics (ahem) smoked them out so like many others, they (ahem) as Mark Twain might say...lit out for the new world

[Cronos]

And, Baptists are descended from the teachigns of John Smyth -- John Smyth, a Fellow of Christ’s College in the Church of England, he became "Puritan, English Separatist, and then a Baptist Separatist," and ended his days working with the Mennonites (Leonard, Bill J. (2003). Baptist Ways: A History. Judson Press)

As a fourth generation group of Protestants, they moved further away from orthodoxy --> as we see how the first generation (Lutherans), differed from second generation (Calvinist) and third generation (Anabaptists, Unitarians etc). We see a further movement away from orthodoxy leading to the seventh generation Protestant groupings like Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, CHristian Scientists.

[D-fendr]

no Holy Spirit in sight

Who do you think the dove is, Daffy Duck?

ROFLOL

[Cronos]

do you have any links or books that refer to Jews coming to “primitive Baptist” groupings?

[Cronos]

You do realise that post the Reconquista there were many crypto-Muslims who plotted against the Christian kings, right? That was the socio-political reason for the Spanish governments move.

And you DO realise that much of Spain had been ruled by Muslims from 700 until 1490 when they were finally kicked out?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

2 Corinthians chapter 2 is about granting pardon (indulgence) and pronouncing penance.

Amazing. This is what results when men do not read the Bible for themselves, but simply swallow what someone tells them and assume it is Scriptural when it is not. (It's also pretty funny how RC apologists can resort to defending their practices from Paul, whom thy regularly trash.)

In 2 Corinthians 2, Paul is telling believers that it is good to forgive each other our faults because it mirrors the forgiveness the Father has already granted His children when He accepted the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross as payment in full for every one of their sins. Therefore, He will remember them no more (Hebrews 10.)

The forgiveness we show others does not remove the sin of the transgression we are forgiving. Only God can forgive sins. By forgiving others, we become more Christ-like. We forgive because we know we have have been forgiven.

"Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ." -- 2 Corinthians 2:14-17

[1000 silverlings]

you dont understand the term "Baptists". "Bible believers" is more apt. Independent churches. We may have loose organizations but Christ alone is our head

[Cronos]

you do realise that that’s your own spin on a picture —> the trinity is represented in God the Father and below the Father’s face, between His hands is the Holy SPirit and then Our Lord JEsus Christ, the third member of the Trinity blessing His creation, His mother, Mary.

[Cronos]

Basically, Unitarians deny the Trinity, they are not Christians.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Paul considered himself as acting under the authority of Christ, not being Christ. Paul was not the head of the church.

Amen! And even less, Peter.

[OLD REGGIE]

Thanks for the link. I can't argue with a guy who says “I'll fight to the death your right to be wrong”.

(I saw your "for" correction. :-)

Many Unitarians are as wrong as wrong can be. Off course this may be said of any group except Catholics.

[Cronos]

You are quite wrong — completely forgetting the socio-political historical reasons. The little German princelings were anti-Hapsburg Empire and took the opportunity to get their own local churches under their thumb. Ditto for Scandanavian kings. And the Swiss always wanted out of the Germanic Empire. The outbreaking of heresies in 1500s also helped the Ottoman Empire by diverting attention away from the wars in the Balkans.

[Legatus]

Doesn't matter how y'all want to fight over one picture

but, but, but... butbutbutbutbutbutterbutbutbut

YOU POSTED THE PICTURE!

And wrote "no Holy Spirit in sight"

Anyone know of a good wysiwyg html editor? I'm tired of doing this manually... and I sense an oncoming need to really go nuts.

[1000 silverlings]

lol.