Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Israel is key to end time events.
reality
What if the reality we have is not real? What if it is turned upside down? Where will our faith be? These are the things I see when I read about the end times in God's Word. The only Rock we will have to stand on is Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rather than approach what is questionable truth the idea is payback like children in a brawl on a playground? Most do not name call and what you have seemed to believe here. Rather they present their case with support of the scriptures and or articles believed might do so. The moderator has placed ample warning about open threads and still there are those who whine "it's not fair". I may not like some of the nonesense but once it dies down, yet again, these people on both sides have something to say and do so very well.
Yeah, I know because it’s still wheat.
However, that had NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.
That’s why I was wondering why it was brought up.
There are two things at least going on here. A person who at least receives the Sacraments of initiation (Baptism, first Holy Communion and usually Confirmation) can return to the practice of the Faith at any time. Deathbed "reversions" are not uncommon. So in that sense "once Catholic always Catholic" is correct.
As for the parish records, generally the parish priest is supposed to do a census annually and clean up the register. The bishop is supposed to inspect the sacramental records when he visits the parish, usually for Confirmations, but I believe each diocese organizes this process on its own. Regardless, nobody local wants the numbers inflated and since anything that would come out of Rome concerning how many practicing Catholics there are come from publicly available reports it would be difficult to fudge the numbers.
Wmfights has answered your objections. Rome fudges its membership rolls by including the hundreds of millions who have fled the idolatry of the papacy for Scripture's better promise.
Rome lies.
I'm surprised you question the fact that I, as a wife, know my husband's heart, and he mine. Perhaps you're not known by your wife. That would be a pity. Counseling might help.
Misrepresentation is common on "open" RF threads. My statements have also been misrepresented.
If it's important then correct the statement even if for the umpteenth time.
But if you can, it is better to recognize a misrepresentation for what it is, a spitwad, and ignore it because posters only use spitwads when they have no ammunition.
Nothing we are experiencing now compares to what Europe went through when the Roman Empire was collapsing and Europe was invaded by barbarians. And even that doesn't compare to the overwhelming sense of despair that accompanied the Black Death in the mid-to-late 14th century.
The only census published by the Vatican claimed a total of 557 citizens of Vatican City. The Catholic Church does not have census office for the world's Catholics and does not publish "enrollment" numbers, but there are numbers published by a variety of credible sources including the CIA, and Georgetown University. All publish numbers approximate to 1.2 billion practicing Catholics and over 1.5 billion registered Catholics.. I believe those numbers and am not deluded. Are you saying I am complicit in a lie, in other words lying?
Bullies don’t understand anything but payback.
And there are countless posts on this thread alone which are calumny, pure and simple.
I wish you would take the trouble to read it. There are posts which attack our teaching and even when more is said about it, the posts persist as though we had posted nothing. It seems unfair to mock something or even to draw conclusions about it if one won't do the work to find out what the thing is.
Here's the place to start:
The Holy Eucharist
GENERAL: The sacrament itself (73). The matter of this sacrament: its species (74), the transubstantiation (75), the real presence (76) and the accidents (77) of bread and wine. The form (78) and effects (79) of this sacrament. The recipient in general (80) and at its institution (81). The minister (82) and the rite (83) of this sacrament.
People who won't read this will have trouble making a coherent argument against it, because they are usually arguing against what somebody else who read an article by somebody else about a book by somebody else about what you can read for yourself right here.
I know RC's make fools of themselves all the time, but that's who said it.
So, I'll ask again, why do all of these non-Catholic statistical groups use the same number?
Got me, I don't know.
Statistics is a fairly exact science and no statistician wants to risk being so wrong about how many Christians are in the world by accepting unverifiable numbers.
Oh please, this stuff has become as politicized as about anything else. A good example is the new jobless claims number that came out yesterday. 9 states didn't report numbers, 2 of those states sent estimates and the other 7 states had their numbers estimated by the fed govt.
Also, are we talking about people who are identified as Christians because some water was sprinkled on their heads as babies, or are we talking about 7 day a week Christians? IOW, these numbers are fungible.
Then nothing you or I discuss has any foundation on which to discuss: you and I are not "real", what we sense is not real, what we think is not real, our choices are not real based on factors that are not real, events that are not real and people who are not real.
A useful conversation that assumes reality is not real is ended at that instance.
The idea of MOI explaining Realism has a bunch of my teachers and classmates --- well, as the saying goes, if they were alive today they'd be spinning in their graves.
We have been told many times by numerous RCs that in order to be stricken from the RCC membership roles a person must write to their bishop and formally withdraw from the faith in order not to be counted as a member.
How many people go through this process? I know dozens of former RCs who are now Protestant and not one of them did this.
It was enough for them to shake the dust from their feet and read their Bible which led them to a Christian church where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is preached in truth.
Says it all...good post!
Yes, that’s true. We found great hilarity in throwing spitwads in 5th grade, so that’s probably about the level of maturity in evidence.
see post 3458...excellant.
About six times the number of OPC members?
True, we can hardly conceive of the collapse of civilization, the death of half the population in some areas. Taking stones of abandoned massive Roman public works for use in one’s house a century later and wondering what happened?
You explain very well. And have a great depth of education. I get simple explanations and more esoteric references from you. I learned about Charon yesterday.. :)
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