Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[wmfights]

Nevertheless, the FACT remains that you have yet to cite any credible group that has verifiable statistics showing that the number of Catholics is overstated.

I think it's only a question of degree. It's been stated on FR threads numerous times unless a former RC send a letter to their former church they will remain on that church's membership rolls. Also, it's also been stated several times that once one is baptized as a RC they will remain RC forever.

[1000 silverlings]

It’s summer, I have been out summering, sorry

[nanetteclaret]

***the whole *Quix believes Jesus was bioengineered by space aliens* strawman has been thoroughly debunked several times already on this thread.***

Now you know how it feels when Catholics explain what our beliefs really are and people continue to ignore what we say and post inflammatory, bigoted, hateful lies.

You people can dish it out but you can’t take it.

[Mad Dawg]

Knock yourself out.

Reply to Objection 1. Because the change of the bread and wine is not terminated at the Godhead or the soul of Christ, it follows as a consequence that the Godhead or the soul of Christ is in this sacrament not by the power of the sacrament, but from real concomitance. For since the Godhead never set aside the assumed body, wherever the body of Christ is, there, of necessity, must the Godhead be; and therefore it is necessary for the Godhead to be in this sacrament concomitantly with His body. Hence we read in the profession of faith at Ephesus (P. I., chap. xxvi): "We are made partakers of the body and blood of Christ, not as taking common flesh, nor as of a holy man united to the Word in dignity, but the truly life-giving flesh of the Word Himself."

On the other hand, His soul was truly separated from His body, as stated above (Question 50, Article 5). And therefore had this sacrament been celebrated during those three days when He was dead, the soul of Christ would not have been there, neither by the power of the sacrament, nor from real concomitance. But since "Christ rising from the dead dieth now no more" (Romans 6:9), His soul is always really united with His body. And therefore in this sacrament the body indeed of Christ is present by the power of the sacrament, but His soul from real concomitance.

Reply to Objection 2. By the power of the sacrament there is contained under it, as to the species of the bread, not only the flesh, but the entire body of Christ, that is, the bones the nerves, and the like. And this is apparent from the form of this sacrament, wherein it is not said: "This is My flesh," but "This is My body." Accordingly, when our Lord said (John 6:56): "My flesh is meat indeed," there the word flesh is put for the entire body, because according to human custom it seems to be more adapted for eating, as men commonly are fed on the flesh of animals, but not on the bones or the like.

[D-fendr]

But since 1948 and 1967 things are moving faster and faster

And had you been around in the 5th Century, you would have seen a world spinning out of control.

An open mind, IMHO, is one without preconceived notions.

Open does not mean empty or without discernment. This is not your father's eschatology, but bioengineered robots housing demons, today, and a great deal more such comic book fantasies.

If someone tells me fantastic tales with no basis in reality, I'm going to discern that here is a person who believes in fantastic tales with no basis in reality.

Are you in possession of such an open mind that you believe this tale?

[Mad Dawg]

So DISH!

Fishing? Tanning? Vacationing? What?

[1000 silverlings]

lol

[Legatus]

Tanning vacationing fish, what what hey hey.

[Mad Dawg]

Quix wrote to you:
So, their weasel words end up in the Proddy position in more ways than one. LOL.

In post 3323.

[MarkBsnr]

Do you think that Scientology could have succeeded in a Catholic world, for instance?

Of course not. Nor would any such thing as religous freedom. A Theocratic Dictatorship would already have "disposed" of any dissenters.

Not under the Holy Catholic Church!!!! :)

Remember though, that the original colonies, with the exception of Maryland and Delaware, had state mandated religion; it took the feds to pry that out of the states' hands.

[caww]

There are many unknown developments which are occurring in the shadows across the International community QuiX, and often un-reported even when discovered. It's happening in the medical field, science and all other venues of research and investigation. Because it is not reported generally only select people do the investigations and often under various government controls for a good reason. If the facts were known just in the experiments with cloning done in the shadows...we would all have our pants in a knot.

Unfortunately there are dingbats out there and people who love to see the monies they can make by promoting conspiracy theories etc. Which unfortunately makes it difficult to discern what is reality from that manufactured or promoted for monitary gain. ....and the fruit-loops who go off into left field often fall for it all....then it runs the web and every other fruit loop adds their stuff.

I don't envy you trying to dig out what is real...and those who do likewise...but there is much out there that is not reality as you know.

[wmfights]

Within the past 6 weeks that was done to me. Where were you guys then>?

Ping me I'll argue against it.

[metmom]

Considering that Roman Catholics are the ones who keep insisting that one have to eat the literal, actual flesh and blood of Christ, as per their interpretation of John 6, and the Last Supper accounts, it is rather inconsistent of them to then claim that the material substance of what is consumed is still chemically, wheat and wine.

Literal means literal. Not, *It APPEARS to be wheat and wine but in essence is in reality actual flesh and blood*. If they’re going to insist that one has to eat the LITERAL, actual flesh and drink the literal, actual blood of Christ, as they say He and the disciples did during the Last Supper after Jesus turned the bread and wine into His literal, actual flesh and blood, then it jolly well ought to look, smell, feel, and taste, and test like human flesh and blood.

Otherwise, it’s just symbolic, as non-Catholics have been stating all along.

That’s contradictory.

[Mad Dawg]

Ooooops, pingety ping to that post to which this is a reply because I mentioned you in it.

[D-fendr]

Very well explained post.

Just wanted to let you know I got something out of it - before your pinged posters illustrate they didn’t get anything from it..

:)

[metmom]

FOTFLOL!!!

[OLD REGGIE]

What’s celiac got to do with transubstantiation?

Gluten remains in the host.

[metmom]

Poor babies.....

Isn’t there something about not retaliating in the Bible?

Or did Rome change that, too?

[Mad Dawg]

If the fish were vacationing, does that mean they weren't in their schools?

Oh I can't believe I did that!

[wagglebee]

It's been stated on FR threads numerous times unless a former RC send a letter to their former church they will remain on that church's membership rolls.

So, the truth about the Catholic Church is what's stated on Free Republic? That's hilarious!

So, I'll ask again, why do all of these non-Catholic statistical groups use the same number? Do you have the name of a credible group that can statistically show a different number?

Let's go ahead with this theory and look at a hypothetical:

Let's say that the Catholic Church is overstating their membership by 500 million people and groups worldwide are just accepting the Catholic Church's figures without doing any verification of their own. Since the number of Catholics and the number of non-Catholic Christians are all added together to come up with there being 2.1 billion Christians in the world, this would mean that there are really only 1.6 billion Christians in the world. What is the status of these other 500 million people?:

A. They are actually Muslims, Hindus or something else?
or
B. They don't actually exist and there are 500 million less people in the world than everyone believes.

Statistics is a fairly exact science and no statistician wants to risk being so wrong about how many Christians are in the world by accepting unverifiable numbers.