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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: metmom
I had heard that to be the case but the only RCC services I’ve been to in recent years are funerals for family and I did not have the presence of mind at the time to notice or care much about whether communion was served and how.

In fact, relatively few Catholics do partake of the cup in any event.
3,401 posted on 09/10/2010 9:17:22 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: caww

Hi, CAWW! I’m always happy to read your posts. 8~)


3,402 posted on 09/10/2010 9:17:42 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"According to Rome, my husband is among those "1.2 billion."

One failed Catholic with arguably poor judgment is not representative of 1.2 billion Catholic minds.

3,403 posted on 09/10/2010 9:18:04 AM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Quix; metmom
can you spell
R a ë l i s m

3,404 posted on 09/10/2010 9:20:15 AM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I was trying to be helpful and remove your excuses. Obviously, you are comfortable with having some convenient ones.
3,405 posted on 09/10/2010 9:20:21 AM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: metmom; Quix
Essentially then, what the Roman Catholics are saying is the the host (bread) and the wine are physical symbols of a spiritual reality.

Exactly. Which is completely backwards.

It's almost as if Rome intended to parody Christianity and so concocted all the doctrines of men Rome teaches.

Thank God for His perfect word which reveals the truth.

3,406 posted on 09/10/2010 9:22:06 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wmfights

it’s like what happened post Luther when you had Calvinism, Radical Reformers, Anabaptists and Unitarians all popping up immediately, then now you have Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Scientists etc all claiming sola scriptura.


3,407 posted on 09/10/2010 9:22:20 AM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"I bought the encyclical."

I still don't believe you.

3,408 posted on 09/10/2010 9:22:25 AM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: MarkBsnr
Nope. The bishop of a diocese could not excommunicate if there was not one set of rules.

The Bishop would be pretty lonely if he excommunicated all heretical "Catholics" wouldn't he?
3,409 posted on 09/10/2010 9:23:59 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: wmfights
the unifying belief is our belief in The Gospel with no "ands", "buts", or "maybe's".

And is that why you would consider Unitarians as Protestants?
3,410 posted on 09/10/2010 9:24:08 AM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: wmfights
the unifying belief is our belief in The Gospel with no "ands", "buts", or "maybe's".

Note that after the first generation of Protestants - Lutherans, you had the 2nd (Calvinists, Zwinglists), 3rd (Anabaptists, Unitarians), 4th (Baptists), right down to the 7th (Seventh Day adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses) --> it all leads down to these groups as you can see the trajectory of Protestantism ultimately leading to UFO-ology as you can see on this thread
3,411 posted on 09/10/2010 9:28:16 AM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: Natural Law
I still don't care what you believe.
3,412 posted on 09/10/2010 9:28:51 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wagglebee
So, when our Lord was Resurrected He was given a "new body"? What happened to His original body?

When He visited the Disciples that night and they recognized Him and later when Saint Thomas put his fingers in the wounds was this a "new body"? If so, why did this "new body" have the same wounds?

Man o man...Buy a bible...IF you can't read it, get someone to read it to you...

3,413 posted on 09/10/2010 9:29:34 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Natural Law

I don’t do other people’s homework for them.

If someone has a beef with something, it’s up to them to tell us what their problem with it is.


3,414 posted on 09/10/2010 9:30:37 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Until he can articulate what the debate is about, he’s just cutting-and-pasting reviews of some book he hasn’t read and doesn’t have a clue as to what it says.

Obviously that's all it takes for Catholics to reach an 'informed' decision...

3,415 posted on 09/10/2010 9:31:32 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Natural Law
"1.2 billion" is a lie. Hundreds of millions of former Roman Catholics have left Rome behind on their way to Scriptural truth, and yet they are still counted among that number.

Rome lies and clearly, Rome cannot count.

3,416 posted on 09/10/2010 9:32:42 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OLD REGGIE

lolol.

Bishops are seldom lonely. They have the companionship of all those altar boys.


3,417 posted on 09/10/2010 9:34:07 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix
Sorry to bother you, Jesse, however, this dispute happens to be about you. IF YOU DON'T WISH TO RESPOND OPENLY, YOU COULD RESPOND IN A PRIVATE FREEPMAIL TO THE "RELIGION MODERATOR;"

Actually, this is more about your claims and appealing to non existent or unproven authority.

I would not expect an apology from the co-Roman Catholic. Most of that ilk on such threads seem to be allergic to apologies.

This is about your claims and their proofs. I have nothing to apologize for since you were the one who refused to provide any evidence whatsoever for your claims.

Yes, I get weary of such frequent/common jerk-face assertions about your non-existence on such threads, too.

If I claim that I know somebody whom I point to as an authority, it is up to me to a) show that I know them and b) that they actually are an authority.

3,418 posted on 09/10/2010 9:34:09 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Natural Law; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; Campion; don-o; ...
And the "1.2 billion" figure for the number of Roman Catholics world-wide is equally bogus since Rome counts among its membership all those who were once baptized RC but have later left that church for another one.

First of all, the Vatican does not have a census office.

Secondly, ALL demographic sources agree that there are around 2.1 billion Christians in the world and that around 1.2 billion of them are Catholic.

Are you suggesting that all of these groups simply accept the word of the Catholic Church and don't use their own numbers?

How many people do you claim have left the Catholic Church? Because, if it's a signficant number and your hypothesis is correct then there are a lot less Christians in the world than we believe (this would be due to double counting).

Just out of curiousity, is there a reason that the OPC hasn't published how many members it has in several years? Has the membership (which was quite insignificant to start with) fallen that much?

According to Rome, my husband is among those "1.2 billion."

Do you claim some sort of special power by which you can know for a certainty what is in your husband's heart?

I've known a great many men who have lied to unreasonable and nagging wives for decades just to avoid a confrontation.

3,419 posted on 09/10/2010 9:34:09 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I was just freepmailing an LCMS member and talking about how the goings-on in the ELCA isn’t just a Lutheran issue but is an attack on all Christians. It’s scary almost when you see how the pink mafia first went for the Methodists, then the Anglicans and now the Lutherans. We must help the Lutherans to fight back and take back their church from the godless pinkos. I don’t know how, but I try to redirect ELCA folks to the LCMS or anothe conservative Lutheran group first, rather than to The Church. Maybe I’m wrong, but they need our help to show that “being Lutheran” <> “oh, part of the gay church”


3,420 posted on 09/10/2010 9:34:19 AM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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