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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: Cronos; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; OLD REGGIE; metmom
I wonder if I spelled Catholic several different ways if an uproar would ensue
2,521 posted on 09/08/2010 2:27:39 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wmfights; roamer_1

So, do you then celebrate on Sunday? Or on Saturday? Because if you celebrate on Sunday, Roamer says that’s a grievous error.


2,522 posted on 09/08/2010 2:29:37 PM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg

Oh, I get the ideas from your groupings postings which are pretty indictive of the litany of hate you’re taught.


2,523 posted on 09/08/2010 2:30:37 PM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: wmfights
If you know The Gospel you don't have to ask.

You might have missed the discussion, I'm asking for other Protestant's views. For this, I do have to ask them. But it's been very difficult getting an answer in most cases. Thank you for yours.

2,524 posted on 09/08/2010 2:31:23 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
If you really really don’t want to give a straight answer, just say so.

I gave you the STRAIGHT answer and you don't want the answer straight.

Because STRAIT is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and ONLY A FEW FIND IT.

I answered, YOU reject it.
2,525 posted on 09/08/2010 2:31:58 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg

I’m not sure.

I’d have no doubt it if Dr E or I did.


2,526 posted on 09/08/2010 2:33:43 PM PDT by Quix (C Bosses plans: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: 1000 silverlings

The Real Presence *is* God.


2,527 posted on 09/08/2010 2:34:09 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: presently no screen name

As though that were surprising or new information.

LOL.

Sigh.


2,528 posted on 09/08/2010 2:34:52 PM PDT by Quix (C Bosses plans: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Iscool
Sigh -- if you had read the earlier posts, you wouldn't need this repeated to you -- post 1862Dogmatic constitution on the CHurch Point 62 reads
This maternity of Mary in the order of grace began with the consent which she gave in faith at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, and lasts until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.(15*) By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and cultics, until they are led into the happiness of their true home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix.(16*) This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator.


of course you need to actually read in context, not in excerpts. OPC cultists do the same thing with their bible (which is just 14 pages of excerpts) and try to do the same thing to every other text.

To simplify it for you - "manifold intercessions" means "many prayers" TO GOD

and "brings us" does not mean "originates" or "creates" but means carries or bears.

So do you then call Unitarians as your sola scriptura Protestant brethern?
2,529 posted on 09/08/2010 2:35:45 PM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: 1000 silverlings
you need a scratched out bible, try St. Vincent de Paul

By golly you gave me an idea.

DOUAY-RHEIMS 12:

The vision of the woman clothed with the sun and of the great dragon her persecutor.

[1] And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: [2] And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. [3] And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: [4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. [5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.

[1] "A woman"... The church of God. It may also, by allusion, be applied to our blessed Lady. The church is clothed with the sun, that is, with Christ: she hath the moon, that is, the changeable things of the world, under her feet: and the twelve stars with which she is crowned, are the twelve apostles: she is in labour and pain, whilst she brings forth her children, and Christ in them, in the midst of afflictions and persecutions.

While I have no idea what is meant by "It may also, by allusion, be applied to our blessed Lady." It certainly couldn't mean she had "children" could it?

2,530 posted on 09/08/2010 2:35:55 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: 1000 silverlings
...no one can “create “ a sacred space, only God can

You're right!

2,531 posted on 09/08/2010 2:36:06 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Cronos; Dr. Eckleburg

yes, we are taught to hate all other races and religions in Christian churches. I guess that’s why we intermarry with them, adopt children from their countries and go on missionary work to them. You belong over on DU with your
Obamabuddies


2,532 posted on 09/08/2010 2:36:27 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: sitetest
You could answer, “yes,” or “no,” or something like, “here's why it doesn't matter.

Excuse me, sitetest. I answer how I see fit - I don't answer by YOUR STANDARDS.

GOT THAT?!


2,533 posted on 09/08/2010 2:37:19 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Quix
What brazen
unmitigated
UNBiblical
arrogance!
Displayed by
the
followers of Sister Aimee McPherson
In
The FourSquare Cult
with their brothers
in
The Cult of Machen, the OrthoProsbotarians
?


What an
ABSURD
HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!
&
BRAZENLY
FALSE

ASSERTION!


And since when have The FourSquare Pantecoastal quixotic cult sent out missionaries to MARS now?

2,534 posted on 09/08/2010 2:37:24 PM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: presently no screen name
I gave you the STRAIGHT answer

A straight answer would be: Yes, God’s word says you are violating the commandments by celebrating the Lord’s Day on Sunday. Or: No, God’s word does not say you are violating the commandments by celebrating the Lord’s Day on Sunday.

Because STRAIT is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and ONLY A FEW FIND IT.

This is another example of a not straight answer to the question.

2,535 posted on 09/08/2010 2:38:31 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Quix
And, more examples of the sham "healings" done by the 4square and other sham pent-c-coastal groups

How to Fake a (Pentecostal) Healing
Pentecostals often remain in Pentecostalism despite many misgivings for one simple reason:  the healings.  They may admit that many of the practices and teachings are unbiblical.  They may confess that there is rampant abuse and manipulation.  But they shake off the doubts because they have seen so many supernatural events--people stand up out of wheelchairs, back pain healed, etc.  And so they wonder, "If this is really so bad, why are so many people being healed?  Isn't it all worth it if sick people are being restored to health?"
 
However, Pentecostal church services are all about showmanship and appearance.  It is surprisingly easy to fake healings, even to hold entire healing services in which people appear to be 'healed' all over the church and yet no one is really cured.  How is this accomplished?  The trick is usually, as Miracle Max said in the quote above, to focus on problems which can be resolved some way other than strictly supernaturally, to learn to 'heal' those who are only partly ill or can be made to seem well when they are not.
 
Let's examine some of the most common 'healing' tricks in the Pentecostal experience:
 
(a)  Bigfoot Sightings.  Perhaps the largest category of fake healings is what I call "Bigfoot Sightings", because, like the mythical Bigfoot, all that is known about these healings is that somebody else swears that they saw them and that they are real.
 
Most often, it is the pastor or a visiting evangelist who relates stories of healings that occurred somewhere else.  When these 'healings' are described in great detail to excited crowds, people tend to forget that they never actually witnessed the event and have no reason to believe that it actually occurred.  In the retelling of the story, people often relate the healing as though they witnessed it themselves.  It is only upon careful questioning that the truth emerges:  nobody actually saw this one; it was just a story told to the group by some convincing-sounding guy with a microphone.
 
EXAMPLE:  Evangelist/ missionary David Hogan often uses this technique.  Every time he speaks to groups, he claims to have raised 400+ people from the dead and performed many amazing miracles.  Although he relates many incredible stories, he never actually performs miracles at his meetings . . . he just talks about all the miracles that he supposedly performed somewhere else. 
 
Hogan's fans often describe him as a great man of God who heals the sick and raises the dead.  When directly asked, however, they admit that they have never actually seen Hogan do any miracles.  The only reason they have to believe that Hogan has ever performed any miracles is that Hogan himself claims that he has.
 
(b)  "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"  Occasionally, 'healings' are fakes, plain and simple.  Many evangelists believe that seeing people apparently get healed raises the level of faith of the parishioners and so opens the door for real healings.  They use this as an excuse to orchestrate healing shows that are planned in advance simply to shock and amaze the crowd.
 
EXAMPLE:  It is difficult to say how often this technique is used, because evangelists who employ it are usually quite careful to cover their tracks.  However, occasionally, scandals open up that allow a glimpse inside such misdealings.  One of the best known examples of the intentional and calculated use of fake healings involved cult leader Jim Jones.  Jones began his ill-fated career as a Pentecostal revivalist and healer.  One of his favorite techniques involved healing people of 'cancer' by apparently removing chunks of foul-smelling material from their bodies that he claimed were the cancerous tissues.  People's Temple insiders later confessed that the 'cancers' were actually rotten chicken livers, produced at the appropriate time during the church service with a little slight -of-hand.
 
(c)  MOSTLY disabled or ALL disabled?   One of the most obvious and most popular techniques used by faith healers is based upon a popular misunderstanding of disabilities.  When someone is in a wheelchair, people tend to assume that the person cannot walk AT ALL.  This is rarely the case.  Most people in wheelchairs can stand and even walk a little, just not far and not well.  Likewise, when a person is said to be blind or deaf, people tend to assume that the person cannot see or hear AT ALL.  Again, this is rarely the case.  Most blind people can see a little, just not very well, and most people who are 'deaf' are really only partially deaf.
 
This explains why many 'miracles' that occur in faith-healing services appear to be only partial healings.  A healer may tell someone in a wheelchair to stand and walk.  The person shakily stands and limps painfully across the stage.  The crowd cheers, because they think that this is amazing progress and that the person is on his or her way to a full recovery.  But, in fact, it may be no improvement at all.  Likewise, many healers will test a healing of a blind person by holding up a handkerchief and asking the person to grab it.  When the blind person is able to take hold of the handkerchief, the crowd is amazed, not realizing that there is nothing remarkable about a partly blind person being able to see a large white object held only inches from his or her face.
 
EXAMPLE:  This is one of the most common healing techniques and is used by many, many faith healers.  One of the best known examples is Peter Popoff, who used a few trusted collegues to scout for healing candidates among the crowds that came to his healing services.  Popoff's scouts always asked people in wheelchairs if they could walk a little or not at all.  Any that could walk a little were called up to the front for 'healing' during the subsequent service.  The technique was exposed by skeptic James Randi who placed actors in the audience to claim that they had disabilities.  Randi's actors were interviewed by Popoff's scouts, and the information transmitted to Popoff via a radio transmitter.  Randi intercepted and recorded the transmissions, which fed Popoff information on various audience members, including which of them would make good 'healing' candidates. 
there are more examples in the link --> read 'em and you too can form a sub-division of the Quixotic grouping!eys and his authority away from him." (Ibid., 4-6.)

"As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent because it is His Word."

2,536 posted on 09/08/2010 2:39:16 PM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: Cronos; Quix

she doesn’t look any more ridiculous than a little man in dresses with red shoes


2,537 posted on 09/08/2010 2:39:54 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Quix; maryz
so you don't agree with MAryz's post:
My point was exactly that you don't elevate Christ nearly high enough! Few if any of the non-Catholics here seem to have any appreciation of the sheer wonder of the Divinity of Christ (even those who say they accept it). Maybe they just don't express themselves well, but they seem to have an extraordinarily limited concept of God at all -- they seem to see Him plodding along with the rest of us, bound by time (though they generously grant that He can see the future).

It's like someone locked in a room whose only concept of elevation is a ladder and no inkling of mountains and valleys and foothills!

2,538 posted on 09/08/2010 2:40:18 PM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: presently no screen name; D-fendr
Dear presently no screen name,

I didn't say that you're compelled to give a straight answer.

I only pointed out that you failed to give a straight answer, and that it would be possible for you to give a straight answer.

I then pointed out that your posts give the appearance of hiding behind the Bible rather than giving a straight answer. Which is, of course, an abuse of the Word of God.

But if you don't wanna give a straight answer, I'm not gonna try to make ya’.

However, your failure to do so is duly noted.

And I'm pretty sure that D-fender now owes me donuts.


sitetest

2,539 posted on 09/08/2010 2:41:27 PM PDT by sitetest ( If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: wagglebee

It’s virtually meaningless, then.


2,540 posted on 09/08/2010 2:42:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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