Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
You are contradicting yourself. You say you don't know yet you quote 2 Thessalonians as the reason!
And when I say I don't know, you tell me to "read the Bible"! How pathetic. One would think that after catching oneself in self-decpetion so many times, a rational human being would give up the man-made superstition and just accept the world as it is, even if we don't know what it's all about.
Instead, we make up another superstitious feel-good prescription and peddle it as cure-all until we run into another dead end corner...'cause "man's gotta believe in something—anything..."
The “why” of God’s predestination is God’s alone to know.
The “how” is by God’s free gift of grace through faith in Christ.
The fact that I have been given the free gift of grace by faith in Christ is apparent in my life just as you say it is not apparent in your life.
And what do we know of the "divine" who is doing the choosing? He's wrathful and engaged in a blood feud with Adam's descendants. His "mercy" consists of not torturing some. And, according to the theology, his picking has nothing whatsoever to do with those picked, but only with his own pleasure..
A step back toward a pagan god.
Might as well pick luck then.
Well, since I don't believe in luck, I can rule that out.
Unlike you, who apparently does believe in luck.
In terms of whether the coin is heads or tails, you win the lottery…, there are odds, physics and causation.
What controls the toss of the coin?
According to you. And without knowledge of the future.
The call to holiness is nonsensical if we consider how holiness is attained: it is a passive change of ontological state without our participation. It is something that occurred without our volition or doing.
This is made abundantly clear in the grammatical format of the Greek text (perfect, passive, subjunctive—an accomplished fact without our participation or volition, such as for example you were born).
So, how can we then be called "to be holy" if holiness is not works-based or subject to free-will? It's like calling all those who were born to stay born! It's nonsense. Greek text doesn't say anything like that.
It is untenable logically. If we can make ourselves holy, then the whole Calvinist and Protestant illusion of being the elect falls down like a house of cards and becomes a Pelagian heresy.
“What controls the toss of the coin?”
Prov 16:33 The dice are cast into the lap, but every result is from the LORD.
Physics and the tosser. Are you now saying you have no control over tossing a coin either?
Christians believe in mercy.
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." -- Titus 3:4-7 "But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Might as well be luck as far as you are concerned - with a wrathful god after you for what your antecedents did.
I like your FR name. Very cool.
Physics and the tosser.
lol. So the tosser of the coin determines the outcome of the toss?
Who are you? Harry Reid?
Who controls the "physics?"
I found that particularly fascinating considering the anti-Christ attitude of Hollywood we often see in their scripts.
The logic is very compelling in making a case on secular grounds that allowing translation and private reading of Scripture goes hand-in-glove with private comprehension of whatever was read. It is disingenuous to do the former while complaining of the latter.
However, the words of God are spirit and life.
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. – Matt 4:4
Give us this day our daily bread. – Matt 6:11 I am that bread of life. – John 6:48
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. - John 6:63
But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her. – Luke 10:38-42
So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:17
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Cor 2:11-13
Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43
And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land; The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles: Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day. And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot. - Deuteronomy 29:2-5
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
Who then is Paul, and who [is] Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. – I Corinthians 3:1-7
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. - Isaiah 55:11
Yes, they do. And a merciful God.
However, that's not the conclusion resulting from Calvinist theology.
Christ has reconciled His sheep with God’s wrath for their sins.
I’m sorry your church has not taught you that.
How high and with with angular velocity the coin is tossed by the tosser affects the result of the toss. Do you disagree?
According to you
Yep. I thank God for that fact every day.
I'm sorry you apparently cannot say the same.
God is unchanging love, not wrath.
I’m sorry your church has not taught you that.
I don't see theology as an Ego Competition.
That is only an assumption.
The fact that I have been given the free gift of grace by faith in Christ is apparent in my life just as you say it is not apparent in your life
I can see no grace in anyone. I know that some people are "nicer" than others. Being nice does demonstrate grace. That is a reflection of that person, because I have seen nice people who were not of Christian conviction, so their pleasantness and compassion could not be attributed to grace.
If you associate your well-being or financial security, or general satisfaction with your life with "grace" then anyone who "has it made" can do the same even if he believes in Allah or Buddha, or in some sun god. Being blessed is no sign of grace. So, whar are the "fruits" of grace if not a superstitious belief that somehow the "graced" are better off be cause of it.
Besides, I never said there is no "sign of grace" in my life. I will be the first to say that I have been "blessed" and that I am deeply appreciative of that, but I don't know the source of that with any certainty.
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