Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Mercy is indeed the polar opposite of justice, but you must remember that God is just and holy. He cannot ignore sin and that is why he himself took upon flesh and bore our sin upon his sinless body so that the penalty, he in his righteous judgment made necessary, was paid in full. Our meager acts of human goodness, prayers and penances can never take away sin. It required death - ours for eternity, or Christ's in our place.
Just what conditions do you think he requires for us to obtain mercy? Mercy is precisely what we must have because we cannot obtain the perfection and sinlessness God requires for being in his presence in Heaven. Scripture says very clearly that if we sin at even one point we are guilty of it all. Even one sin disqualifies us from eternity with God because the wages (cost) of sin is death - even one little lie - and we blew it before we barely knew what sin was.
By God's unmerited mercy and grace through faith in the sacrifice Christ made for us we are gifted heaven. It is man's pride of life that prevents him from humbling himself in the sight of God and letting go of all his worthiness and merit. We resist God's grace because of that pride and until we repent - change our mind - we can never receive the righteousness required by a just and holy God.
Gelatius' rejection is a forgery.
As Christians I think we do know well the chastisement of the Lord....He is relentless when He wants us to change something or adjust our thinking. I have more than once avoided His promptings...but He has His way of reaching us when we are stubborn or self willed even when we are not aware we are being that.... He understands our nature and personality all to well...even better than we do! I am grateful for his patience as we come to terms with Him and see things as He does.
I have found there are many sins we commit that first we need to see are just that. We can do things with the wrong motive and He convicts then. Or something good we may want to do is not what He intends us to do. So some things are difficult to discern...but he always makes it clear if we seek Him first.
Very good.
but you must remember that God is just and holy. He cannot ignore sin and that is why he himself took upon flesh and bore our sin upon his sinless body so that the penalty, he in his righteous judgment made necessary, was paid in full.
That is not justice. That is mercy.
Our meager acts of human goodness, prayers and penances can never take away sin. It required death - ours for eternity, or Christ's in our place.
No argument here.
Just what conditions do you think he requires for us to obtain mercy? Mercy is precisely what we must have because we cannot obtain the perfection and sinlessness God requires for being in his presence in Heaven. Scripture says very clearly that if we sin at even one point we are guilty of it all. Even one sin disqualifies us from eternity with God because the wages (cost) of sin is death - even one little lie - and we blew it before we barely knew what sin was.
By God's unmerited mercy and grace through faith in the sacrifice Christ made for us we are gifted heaven. It is man's pride of life that prevents him from humbling himself in the sight of God and letting go of all his worthiness and merit. We resist God's grace because of that pride and until we repent - change our mind - we can never receive the righteousness required by a just and holy God.
I think that you have rather well answered your own question. Odd that on Halloween night, that several people here that I am corresponding with have quite possibly achieved a realization beyond their former state. I congratulate you.
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Our meager acts of human goodness, prayers and penances can never take away sin. It required death - ours for eternity, or Christ's in our place.
No argument here.
I doubt I will ever understand the fundamental Western notion that Ω ΟΝ is in any way, shape or form bound by an implacable "Necessity", an evil, blood thirsty, Dagonesque divine monster, yes, but the God I worship, no. The Slanderer has convinced you that salvation is salvation from God's wrath. The Evil One has beguiled you into believing that the Physician of our Souls and Bodies, the Friend of Mankind, is your torturer!
"Be a herald of God's goodness, for God rules over you, unworthy though you are; for although your debt to Him is so great, yet He is not seen exacting payment from you, and from the small works you do, He bestows great rewards upon you. Do not call God just, for His justice is not manifest in the things concerning you. And if David calls Him just and upright, His Son revealed to us that He is good and kind. 'He is good,' He says, 'to the evil and to the impious'. How can you call God just when you come across the Scriptural passage on the wage given to the workers? 'Friend, I do thee no wrong: I will give unto this last even as unto thee. Is thine eye evil because I am good?' . How can a man call God just when he comes across the passage on the prodigal son who wasted his wealth with riotous living, how for the compunction alone which he showed, the father ran and fell upon his neck and gave him authority over all his wealth? None other but His very Son said these things concerning Him, lest we doubt it; and thus He bare witness concerning Him. Where, then, is God's justice, for whilst we are sinners Christ died for us! But if here He is merciful, we may believe that He will not change....
Again, whence descends the notion of knowledge into dust? O the wondrous mercy of God! O the astonishment at the bounty of our God and Creator! O might for which all is possible! O the immeasurable goodness that brings our nature again, sinners though we be, to His regeneration and rest! Who is sufficient to glorify Him? He raises up the transgressor and blasphemer, he renews dust unendowed with reason, making it rational and comprehending and the scattered and insensible dust and the scattered senses He makes a rational nature worthy of thought. The sinner is unable to comprehend the grace of His resurrection. Where is Gehenna, that can afflict us? Where is perdition, that terrifies us in many ways and quenches the joy of His love? And what is Gehenna as compared with the grace of His resurrection, when He will raise us from Hades and cause our corruptible nature to be clad in incorruption, and raise up in glory him that has fallen into Hades?
Come, men of discernment, and be filled with wonder! Whose mind is sufficiently wise and marvelous to wonder worthily at the bounty of our Creator? His recompense of sinners is, that instead of a just recompense, He rewards them with resurrection, and instead of those bodies with which they trampled upon His law, He enrobes them with perfect glory and incorruption. That grace whereby we are resurrected after we have sinned is greater than the grace which brought us into being when we were not. Glory be to Thine immeasurable grace, O Lord! Behold, Lord, the waves of Thy grace close my mouth with silence, and there is not a thought left in me before the face of Thy thanksgiving. What mouths can confess Thy praise, O good King, Thou Who lovest our life? Glory be to Thee for the two worlds which Thou hast created for our growth and delight, leading us by all things which Thou didst fashion to the knowledge of Thy glory, from now and unto the ages. Amen." +Isaac the Syrian
And how is that different from you saying the Bible is true because I say it's true, or because the HS tells me it's true, or because the voices in my head say it's true, or because I spent the night in Holiday Inn?
Yes, dear. I love you too.
A lot of people have a better life through sin. besides, if you can do no wrong in God's eyes (being "justified" and all that), who are you to tell God otherwise?
(bkaycee)"Pope Gelasius explicitly condemns the authors as well as their writings and the teachings which they promote and all who follow them. And significantly, this entire decree and its condemnation was reaffirmed by Pope Hormisdas in the sixth century around A.D. 520."
Yes, Gelatius' rejection is most likely a forgery. What else is new?
Is the reaffirmation by Pope Hormisdas also a forgery?
Thanks, dear, you are so sweet, I don't eat crow, but knowing that you do, just make it the way you always do, daily that is, feathers and all.
Justice! God forbid. God is just for forgive us in the sense of being righteous, on Christ’s expense and on His credit, “that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.” (Rm. 3:26)
God looks at what I’ve done and says that will send you to Hell-fire. He looks at what His Son did and says that He send you to glory, by faith in His blood, but a God-given faith out of a poor and contrite heart that characteristically works obedience in heart and life, thanks be to God though i need to be more yielded.
Yes, “But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. “ (Hebrews 12:8)
The author of faith is also the finisher, if we continue, as God plays for keeps, not the Red Sox.
Clearly, the first clause would cover Carthage and similar episcopal gatherings.
No, Mark, if he takes out sins then he is guilty of them (and that's not allowed). If he dies for them, then he is not guilty of them, but innocent, and the Bible clearly prohibits that!
Giving blanket forgiveness is no justice, for sure. What would we think of a judge who released repeat sex-offenders, molesters and murders because he "loves" them? certainly no "just!"
But the Christian God doesn't forgive unconditionally. First he demands that one believes he is a real God. Second we must believe that God took on flesh and suffered and died for our sins. Third, he demands that we be baptized in his name. Fourth, he demands confession and repentance in order to repeatedly look the other way in order to keep us "justified" in his eyes.
That's not unconditional mercy! It is conditional and biased injustice.
But you can't repeatedly commit the same sin, confess and "repent" of it, only to commit it again, and expect mercy ad infinitum.
But he allows it.
I would say yes, considering that Galasius' forgery is dated at about AD 615.
Worth repeating.
....assuming you mean it is not a game for Him. In that I agree. You mentioned the need to be more yielded...and therein is where the battle seems to be....our way or His way. It can get frustrating when it appears to be a struggle of wills. His or ours..... And we do wrestle with God as Jacob did.
Ummm.... thank you...I think. Just to clarify, though, what realization do you imagine I have achieved here that I did not understand before?
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