Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
“The Lord told his people how to recognize a true prophet, and Isaiah was one.”
Quite so and if any want to show wherein he was not let them show it!
Caww:
In your view then would the statement:
“we pray to God and ask for forgiveness every day”
be incongruous for the saved, elect..?
I knew you would come back with that (that was a given), but no deal. :) Comma Johanneum is a fraud. It is a latter-day addition to the Bible by some some Latin scribe and is not found in any of the oldest Greek manuscripts. So you have been duped to accept a known fraud as the "word of God." Sorry. Don't feel bad, you are not the first or the last.
In deed, that is the point, that Law of Moses, though perfect, did not remove sin since
Neither does grace. Supposedly, Paul would have you believe that somehow you are no longer a slave to sin, but sanctified (1 Cor 6:11), holy. But he doesn't say why God left enough sin even in the "regenerated" to continue to sin (it's that "I really hate immoral sex, but I can't stop having it!").
What good is hating sin if you continue to sin on your own free will??? And the "saved" do continue to sin; the Calvinists, however, found a way around this corner—they can't sin on their own, so God makes them sin because, you guessed it, he "loves' them! :o
Luther realized that when he said "it's in our nature," so why hold back, might as well "sin boldly"; Jesus picks up after you.
No one before Paul came out with the idea that the Law condemns you. How can it condemn if it restores your soul?!? How can it be something bad when ti was given to God's own people, when ti was written by God to be observed forever?!?!?!
Jesus never says about the law what Paul says about the Law. No Jew would say what Paul said about the Law. There is nothing more sacred and holy in the Keisha mind than the God;s own Law!
Keisha=Jewish (spellchecker is on steroids!)
Fine, I essentialy agree with that. It does not; however, refer to an ecumenical decision.
Please explain this rather "dogmatic" post:
(OR)Consensus Patrum is a fiction. There is no such thing as an "approved" list of Church Fathers
(K>Consensus patrum refers to Ecumenical or local declarations of the participating bishops.
15,124 posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:55:22 PM by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
Further, would you be so kind as to notify MarkBsnr of your "correction". He hangs on your every word and we wouldn't want to mislead him would we?
Who is on your list of: Unanimous patristic support for Unitarian Universalism?
The list is kept on a "need to know" basis. You do not need to know.
Why? The Orthodox and Catho;ics believe Christ when he says: "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." [Mat 5:48] But I can see why the Protestants don't.
That's how Christianity works
By ignoring Jesus and glorifying Paul?
"that we, being dead to sins"-- 1 Peter 2:24
How can you be dead to sin when there is sin left inside everyone? So much so that God is working overtime re-sanctifying the "elect" all their lives, as you told me in your previous post?!?
Do sheep continue to stray? Yep. But we have the assurance from God that Christ is always bring us back into the fold.
Not according to Paul. I showed you that Paul says you will not make it to heaven if you continue to sin. It must be painful to see that, so much so that some might experience temporary blindness.
Do not be deceived; (neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God {1 Cor 6:9-10]
Combine this with the works-based sanctification preached by Paul for unbelievers who marry believers, and works-based abstention form immoral sex in return for sanctification (at least for Thessalonians), and you have a whole lotta works-based stuff pouring out form Pauline verses! What's up with that? That doesn't fit the Protestant tale one single bit.
Christ presents us to God "unblameable" because Christ has accepted the "blame" on our behalf and made restitution to God for our sins.
Then why is there a need to re-sanctify you all your life, as you claim?
Thus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, the only one who can reconcile our sins with the righteous judgment of God.
Well, given that he is that same God, why couldn't he just do it without all the blood and guts? Or is God under some sort of obligation?
Do RCs and EO believe in "substitutionary atonement" or is that a doctrine they discarded on the way to the Pelagianism they now practice?
I can't speak for the RCs, but the Orthodox don't. That theology is unknown to the original Church.
or is that a doctrine they discarded on the way to the Pelagianism they now practice?
LOL, they don't practice Plagiarism any more than Calvinists practice Christianity.
Here is a nice little recap for your pleasure...R. C. Sproul...
Who is Sproul and why should I believe him?
Do RCs and EO believe in "substitutionary atonement" or is that a doctrine they discarded on the way to the Pelagianism they now practice?
Actually, would'nt they be closer to semi-pelagianists?
Wounded, but still having the ability to choose correctly?
Whew! Thanks for the correction. I did a Yahoo search on "Keisha" and all I got back was some singer from a group called the "Sugababes" and a porn star. I didn't think it could be another Yiddish term. ;o)
So much falsehood, so many strawmen; where would one start to answer such a post?
Can it be that no answer is desired?
Can it be that the whole post is nothing but a rationalization of an unbeliever’s string of defense mechanisms?
Do some truly desire to fail? - To be apart from God?
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I'm a cultist. When does the next comet expected? :-)
That's where you are wrong. Think about the statement, "Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.". How is that even possible in this human life? To be as perfect as God is cannot be done in one life or even in a thousand lives. Those who believe in reincarnation (reintarnation for the rednecks ;o)) think they can achieve a semblance of this but only through countless relived lives with progressive perfection leading to God-conciousness. With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. We are not made perfect by our own efforts. We are only made as perfect as God through the substitutionary sacrifice Christ made for us. We are proclaimed righteous, justified and sanctified - as perfect as God - because of his grace.
> “Exactly what “Gnostic corruption” does the NIV have?”
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The NIV is at its heart, a total acceptance of the codices Vaticannus, and Sinaiticus, which are composed of collections of pre-existing papirii, many of which were ‘edited’ from their original reading, which in almost every case was a reading consistent with the majority texts, to a softer, more humanist reading.
The best source of specifics on the subject is a book by Gail Riplinger, “New Age Bible Versions.”
The book is not an easy read, as it is full of details in tables that are guaranteed to cause eyestrain, but it clearly shows the pattern.
Of course, the majority of the changes in the NIV from the KJV/Geneva versions were done for the simple reason that it had to be copyrightable to be commercially viable, which is the reason for many of the obscure words they used.
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When Catholics go to confession, do they think they need to to inform God they have sinned? I don't think so. Obviously, God already knows all of our actions - he knew them before we were even created. So, this act of confession must be for our OWN benefit. Confession is to "name it as he names it", to come clean, so to speak. We admit our failings and resign ourselves to avoid them in the future as God gives us the grace to do so. We then rest on his promise that "if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness". He restores fellowship with us, cleans the slate and relieves us of the burden that the wall of sin places between us. So, confession is just as congruent and appropriate for his "elect" - in fact they are the only ones to whom confession works this way.
Understand that, of course, when I say the "elect" I am speaking of all those who God knew would come to him in faith and be born again into his family. The "Reformed" have no corner on that label, nor do they really claim to.
Regarding the whole substitutionary atonement idea, the Catechism says:
The agony at Gethsemani
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The cup of the New Covenant, which Jesus anticipated when he offered himself at the Last Supper, is afterwards accepted by him from his Father’s hands in his agony in the garden at Gethsemani,434 making himself “obedient unto death.” Jesus prays: “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me. . . .”435 Thus he expresses the horror that death represented for his human nature. Like ours, his human nature is destined for eternal life; but unlike ours, it is perfectly exempt from sin, the cause of death.436 Above all, his human nature has been assumed by the divine person of the “Author of life,” the “Living One.”437 By accepting in his human will that the Father’s will be done, he accepts his death as redemptive, for “he himself bore our sins in his body on the tree.”438
Christ’s death is the unique and definitive sacrifice
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Christ’s death is both the Paschal sacrifice that accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world,”439 and the sacrifice of the New Covenant, which restores man to communion with God by reconciling him to God through the “blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”440
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This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and surpasses all other sacrifices.441 First, it is a gift from God the Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in reparation for our disobedience.442
Jesus substitutes his obedience for our disobedience
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“For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man’s obedience many will be made righteous.”443 By his obedience unto death, Jesus accomplished the substitution of the suffering Servant, who “makes himself an offering for sin,” when “he bore the sin of many,” and who “shall make many to be accounted righteous,” for “he shall bear their iniquities.”444 Jesus atoned for our faults and made satisfaction for our sins to the Father.445
Jesus consummates his sacrifice on the Cross
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It is love “to the end”446 that confers on Christ’s sacrifice its value as redemption and reparation, as atonement and satisfaction. He knew and loved us all when he offered his life.447 Now “the love of Christ controls us, because we are convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died.”448 No man, not even the holiest, was ever able to take on himself the sins of all men and offer himself as a sacrifice for all. The existence in Christ of the divine person of the Son, who at once surpasses and embraces all human persons and constitutes himself as the Head of all mankind, makes possible his redemptive sacrifice for all.
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The Council of Trent emphasizes the unique character of Christ’s sacrifice as “the source of eternal salvation”449 and teaches that “his most holy Passion on the wood of the cross merited justification for us.”450 And the Church venerates his cross as it sings: “Hail, O Cross, our only hope.”451
Our participation in Christ’s sacrifice
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The cross is the unique sacrifice of Christ, the “one mediator between God and men.”452 But because in his incarnate divine person he has in some way united himself to every man, “the possibility of being made partners, in a way known to God, in the
paschal mystery” is offered to all men.453 He calls his disciples to “take up [their] cross and follow [him],”454 for “Christ also suffered for [us], leaving [us] an example so that [we] should follow in his steps.”455 In fact Jesus desires to associate with his redeeming sacrifice those who were to be its first beneficiaries.456 This is achieved supremely in the case of his mother, who was associated more intimately than any other person in the mystery of his redemptive suffering.457
Apart from the cross there is no other ladder by which we may get to heaven.458
IN BRIEF
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“Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures” (1 Cor 15:3).
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Our salvation flows from God’s initiative of love for us, because “he loved us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins” (1 Jn 4:10). “God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself” (2 Cor 5:19).
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Jesus freely offered himself for our salvation. Beforehand, during the Last Supper, he both symbolized this offering and made it really present: “This is my body which is given for you” (Lk 22:19).
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The redemption won by Christ consists in this, that he came “to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mt 20:28), that is, he “loved [his own] to the end” (Jn 13:1), so that they might be “ransomed from the futile ways inherited from [their] fathers”(1 Pet 1:18).
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By his loving obedience to the Father, “unto death, even death on a cross” (Phil 2:8), Jesus fulfills the atoning mission (cf. Isa 53:10) of the suffering Servant, who will “make many righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities” (Isa 53:11; cf. Rom 5:19).
The references are:
434 Cf. Mt 26:42; Lk 22:20.
435 Phil 2:8; Mt 26:39; cf. Heb 5:7-8.
436 Cf. Rom 5:12; Heb 4:15.
437 Cf. Acts 3:15; Rev 1:17; Jn 1:4; 5:26.
438 1 Pet 2:24; cf. Mt 26:42.
439 Jn 1:29; cf. 8:34-36; 1 Cor 5:7; 1 Pet 1:19.
440 Mt 26:28; cf. Ex 24:8; Lev 16:15-16; 1 Cor 11:25.
441 Cf. Heb 10:10.
442 Cf. Jn 10:17-18; 15:13; Heb 9:14; 1 Jn 4:10.
443 Rom 5:19.
444 Isa 53:10-12.
445 Cf. Council of Trent (1547): DS 1529.
446 Jn 13:1.
447 Cf. Gal 2:20; Eph 5:2, 25.
448 2 Cor 5:14.
449 Heb 5:9.
450 Council of Trent: DS 1529.
451 LH, Lent, Holy Week, Evening Prayer, Hymn Vexilla regis.
452 1 Tim 2:5.
453 GS 22 § 5; cf. § 2.
454 Mt 16:24.
455 1 Pet 2:21.
456 Cf. Mk 10:39; Jn 21:18-19; Col 1:24.
457 Cf. Lk 2:35.
458 St. Rose of Lima, cf. P. Hansen, Vita mirabilis (Louvain, 1668).
I am simply reiterating what Jesus is quoted as saying. Are you saying Jesus is wrong?
Think about the statement, "Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.". How is that even possible in this human life?
I have no clue. Christ is commanding them to become perfect. Obviously he thinks it's not only possible but necessary. You are the one with the "eyes and ears," so what is Jesus saying? All you are doing is negating what Christ clearly states.
Shooting blanks again?
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