Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[stfassisi]

I came across the wonderful analogy of Consensus Patrum by Bishop Joseph of Arianzos ....

“I would say it is like a musical symphony (= agreement) where with different notes, with the variety of instruments and voices, the same song is sung, and in this case the all-harmonious chant of true Theology, which is none other than Christ Himself”

Thanks for the Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev article- I have read many of his articles and enjoy them very much. His music composition is awesome as well

[OLD REGGIE]

“Consensus Patrum is a fiction. There is no such thing as an “approved” list of Church Fathers. Furthermore the identification of a Church Father is left up to the imagination of the Apologist of the moment.”

You may find this:

http://orthodoxeurope.org/page/11/1/2.aspx

informative as to the understanding of both who The Fathers were and what the consensus patrum is from a very highly respected Russian Orthodox Metropolitan. I don’t expect you will agree with it, I disagree with parts of it and our Latin interlocutors will likewise find parts they reject, but overall its an excellent discussion. Knowing what we mean by “consensus patrum” and “Church Fathers” will make the discussion more productive.

Thank you for one persons Orthodox position on the Church Fathers.

I am certain you will understand I find the article vague and somewhat confusing. (I am a simple person.) :-)

1. He apparently believes the classification of Church Father has no time limit. We may well have "Church Fathers" amongst us this very day.

2. His position on Consensus Patrum is an "on this hand" and "on the other hand" hodge podge.

3. a. Western position = "questionable".
b. Others (I presume Orthodox) "...accord of the Fathers” presupposes their consent on essential matters, with possible disagreement on isolated issues."

4. I appreciate his position but still believe "Consensus Patrum" when invoked by the RCC is a fiction. The author may well feel the same.

[Quix]

Great . . . saving to disc.

Thx.

Agreed, BTW.

Nap calling.

[Global2010]

Yeah I bet Howling at the full moon can be exhausting. /sarc

[D-fendr]

How strong is the patristic support for Unitarian Universalism?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Then I don't understand why "we pray to God and ask for forgiveness every day? if you believe, really believe, that you already have it? If you already have something, why are you asking for it?

Because God commands it.

"Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing."

Notice what comes first.

[Jaded]

Um, when Saul of Tarsus was on the road to Damascus he wasn’t going to arrest “Christians” he was going to arrest Jews who were breaking Jewish Law, in his mind.

[D-fendr]

Because God commands it. "Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing."

Rejoice. Pray.

I don't see the command to pray for what you already have or anything like that. Where do you get that?

[D-fendr]

Perhaps it's not clear:

You believe all your sins - past, present and future - are *already* - as of now - forgiven.

The statement then was: “we pray to God and ask for forgiveness every day”

Why ask God to give you what you believe God already has and will always have given you no matter what?

[D-fendr]

Sorry, should have been pinging you to the same conversation...

[editor-surveyor]

> “Um, when Saul of Tarsus was on the road to Damascus he wasn’t going to arrest “Christians” he was going to arrest Jews who were breaking Jewish Law, in his mind”

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Quite true.

[MarkBsnr]

Very good. I point out the errors in Isaiah and you give me Paul talking about the Jews' view of Moses. The specifics of Isaiah talking about the Messiah do not identify Christ. No wonder the Jews thought that this new Christian Jewish sect was nuts.

Wow...You'd better put down that bible...You're going to hurt yourself with it...

No need. I point out what is actually in the Bible and the stunned silence of the Bible Believers (tm) is very reassuring.

Isaiah doesn't get any thing wrong...Like the cliche' says, 'It ain't over til the Catholic religion burns'...And it will...And Damascus will fall...

How long did it take Christ to learn the difference between good and evil? We Catholics maintain that He always knew, being God. How long do Isaiahphiles say that it took? You haven't made it to your final judgment yet...Does that mean it won't happen???

Rather poor comparison, wouldn't you say? And I guess we were shooting at camels in Iraq, too.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

As I remember, you were a self-professed Christian at the beginning of that thread, changed your handle to Invincibly Ignorant as a response to Catholics - and by its end were denying the divinity of Christ, as predicted.

Now that I think of it you must be a modern day Jeanie Dixson. :-) I'm proud of my development. Thanx for the reminder.

[MarkBsnr]

What are they? And where can I find them in Scripture? You're not seriously proposing the so-often debunked prosperity gospel are you

Here's one...How many do you want???

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

We were speaking of these mythical rewards for graduated sinning/non sinning claimed by the Bible Believers (TM). This verse from Colossians does not address that topic at all. Random verse generator not working properly?

It's amazing how you are so consistantly proven wrong but you just keep on motivatin' thru the fog

Posting verses to me in response to a topic that are nowhere near that topic means that I am proven wrong? If you'd shut off the random verse generator and actually read the Bible that you worship, you'd post on topic, if not more coherently.

[MarkBsnr]

My husband says Roman Catholicism is a property management conglomeration masquerading as a world religion.

I'm sure he does...

[count-your-change]

No, if I thought you’d not answer I’d not wasted either of our times. I’d rather thought that it would logically lead to the next question of how long a person can hold their nose and pretend God does the same.
But that’s probably a question those enduring a stench have to put to themselves.

[MarkBsnr]

I’ve posted many of the scripture verses that demolish your imaginary “purgatory,” and you simply ignore them.

I find your postings far too funny to ignore.

[MarkBsnr]

“I see. The lands of Babylon do not correspond to modern day Iraq. And Egypt is not Egypt. And Israel is not Israel. And Ethiopia is not Ethiopia. And Rome is not the lands of Italy now. How is that flat earth thesis coming along?”

. Live by the streawman; die in its pyre!

Are you saying that you not only have an execrable understanding of political geography, but you reserve the right to make up words?

[Quix]

Goodness!

Did I yank your chain in my sleep?

[D-fendr]

you must be a modern day Jeanie Dixson

Given the theology you posted at the time, it was a pretty easy prediction.I'm proud of my development.

Where are you now? Jewish?