The Unitarian (a non-Christian) who does that, kind of looks like
the arrogance of ignorance at work. You, being a Unitarian (and Unitarians deny the Trinity) have no idea what The Church believes nor disbelieves.
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Praise God that you still believe in miracles!
LOL.
It’s also amazing how many of the rabid clique folks
are so habitual about
refusing to believe the plain truth
it’s a wonder they expect the sun to rise tomorrow.
Maybe they don’t!
There are two factors at work (hah) here. First is that public confession of Christ is a work, it is an act of faith, an "auto de fe" even. Second, that event happened before the institution of the Church... before the completion of the death, resurrection and ascension of Our Lord even.
Is burning at the stake in ancient foreign nations akin to killing the innocent by the KKK in recent memory in this nation ? What a proud history of discrimination and murder protestantism has in this nation. Does this PRIDE facilitate the sinful prideful interpretations of scripture which are bandied about these posts?
God bless
Blood lust and tyranny . . .
we two sure get train loads of that directed at us week in and week out!
Then they either deny it or try vainly with great futility
TO JUSTIFY IT!
AMAZING!
Fascinating.
I would say that Calvin wanted Servetus condemned to death and to deny that defeats the credibility of the person who makes the denial. That's what I would say, and in fact that is what I do say.
INDEED.
Read your bible and justify the protestant actions notwithstanding “Human nature being what is is”
Jesus provides the grace to over come sinful temptation not accede to the human nature you referenced.
Just for the record you need to take the words of our Savior into your heart and act in accordance with and pursuant to Mt 5 44:48
Jesus saves not human nature .
I'm going to Maronite Divine Liturgy in a few minutes and when I get there I'm going to pray that either in this life or the next the Blessed Mother walks up to you and kicks you in the shins and says "Legatus says hi". She's a little Jewish woman, it shouldn't hurt much.
LOL.
I meant solar charger. Silly me.
And that is why it is not a work.. Saving faith is not like Dorothy clicking her heels together and saying I believe 3 times and getting back to Kansas
Saving Faith is not self generated or an act of the will of man. It is a gift of God
How do I know this? Cause the Bible tells me so..LOL
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Second, that event happened before the institution of the Church... before the completion of the death, resurrection and ascension of Our Lord even.
Are you saying that one can not find Christ out side the church?...
"Some Unitarian Universalists are nontheists and do not find language about God useful. The faith of other Unitarian Universalists in God may be profound, though among these, too, talk of God may be restrained. Why? The word God is much abused. Far too often, the word seems to refer to a kind of granddaddy in the sky or a super magician. To avoid confusion, many Unitarian Universalists are more apt to speak of "reverence for life" (in the words of Albert Schweitzer, a Unitarian), the spirit of love or truth, the holy, or the gracious. Many also prefer such language because it is inclusive; it is used with integrity by theist and nontheist members. Whatever our theological persuasion, Unitarian Universalists generally agree that the fruits of religious belief matter more than beliefs about religion-even about God. So we usually speak more of the fruits: gratitude for blessings, worthy aspirations, the renewal of hope, and service on behalf of justice."The Unitarian/ Universalist Association is, because of their own scant doctrinal structure, nearly impossible to offer a defense against. If you ask a UUA member what they believe in, their mere reply will be "I believe in God". The Bible has a reply for such a little belief:
James 2:19-20 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"The Bible makes it clear that scant belief in only God ("Yeah, I believe there's a god") is useless in our Father's eternal plan of redemption. The Unitarian/ Universalist Association cannot be called, even by the greatest stretch of the imagination, neither Christian nor a Church
"We do not, however, hold the Bible-or any other account of human experience-to be either an infallible guide or the exclusive source of truth. Much biblical material is mythical or legendary. Not that it should be discarded for that reason! Rather, it should be treasured for what it is. We believe that we should read the Bible as we read other books (or the newspaper) - with imagination and a critical eye."The Unitarian Universalist believes that Jesus was only a man, born just like all other men. The Unitarian Universalist website states (uua.org):
"Classically, Unitarian Universalist Christians have understood Jesus as a savior because he was a God-filled human being, not a supernatural being. He was, and still is for many UUs, an exemplar, one who has shown the way of redemptive love, in whose spirit anyone may live generously and abundantly. Among us, Jesus' very human life and teaching have been understood as products of, and in line with, the great Jewish tradition of prophets and teachers. He neither broke with that tradition nor superseded it."The UUA rejects the Biblical concepts of Heaven and Hell, and in this sense they follow the teachings of the ancient Saducees. Since they reject the teachings of Heaven and Hell, they also reject the idea of salvation
Are you suggesting the life and words of Jesus had no meaning until after His deatth and ressurection?
Alternatively, are you suggesting a "public" confession of Christ is necessary"
This is not sufficient?
John 6:
[28] Then they said to him, "What must we do, to be doing the works of God?"
[29] Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."
John 6:
[28] Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?”
[29] Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
Part of John 6 Catholics never quote
Perhaps if some of these unchristian pagans were to attend my religious training sessions they would be disposed to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. After reading pagan comments about “Human Nature” triumphing over the grace of God and of course the UFO nonsense. It is time some of these self serving types, infatuated with their own PRIDE, surrender to the rule of Jesus.
Enough of this heresy being vomited from their sinful lips, lips which serve their father, the father of all lies.
God bless
bluntly — both sides did wrong things, both had blood on their hands. What we object to is saying “oh we Calvs are sooo innocent we did nothing”. And that is not true. You didn’t do this, mind, but Doc Eck did —> your point in this post is “ok, both sides did wrong” and I agree with that.
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