Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[D-fendr]

So your new Catholic church is Protestant, except for the rite of the mass, what a crack-up!

Where in the world do you get this? Do you not know anything about the book and review you linked to?

I gave you the link to most complete statement of what my Church believes. I'm still waiting for you to return the favor.

[editor-surveyor]

> “Well, to ES’ defence, he has never said he speaks for GOD”

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This is another thing that sets Christians apart from Catholics.

Catholics are constantly claiming to speak for God, while we Christians need not do so. The Lord speaks to us constantly through his Holy Spirit, and we know that all Christians already know what God has to say, and we couldn’t possibly do it better than he can.

The peace and happiness of real Christians must be baffling to Catholics.
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[Cronos]

Actually, there is a difference between us Christians and your little cultic group. We follow Christ and believe that Christ is divine, we believe in ONE God, Triune, yet ONE. If your group wants to keep worshipping Malek Taus, go ahead.

[wagglebee]

They may not believe this, or even that Jesus was/is 100% man and 100% God

Their denial the terms Theotokos or Mother of God certainly suggest that they do not believe that Christ is fully Man and fully God.

[Cronos]

your term "Proddy" is not equivalent to Protestant. The vast majority of Protestants are not members of the groupings to which the posters on this post are on about -- there are no posters from the lutheran, Anglican, Methodist or Assemblies of God groupings.

Again, I would hesitate to say that any of you ascribe to the general viewpoints of your grouping -- except Iscool or ES, who seems to each be a Kirk of One rejecting the others as non-cultic

So, the term "Proddy" is relegated to just being composed of you, Dr. E, mfights, metmom, presently no screen name, iscool, rnmomof7 and the handful of other non-Church folks who post on this thread.

[Cronos]

Nah, I’m Catholic, we don’t do that we worship God — what about your cult?

[Cronos]

woo -- the Amazing Grace Baptist Church says We are burning Satan's bibles like the NIV, RSV, NLT, HCSB, CEV, NCV, NIRV, TNIV, NKJV, TLB, NASB, ESV, NEV, NRSV

Now I'm starting to wonder if Eddie Long and the WBC are also Baptist!

[OLD REGGIE]

(wagglebee)How DO you interpret 1 Timothy 2:11-12?

(RnMomof7)Women are not to have authority in the church ... women are not to be pastors, or teachers of men in the church.

How do catholics interpret that ?

First, you must understand the Catholic will interpret 1 Timothy 2 in a "condensed" version which supports the typically misogynistic view of the Catholic Church.

1 Timothy 2:
8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling;
9 also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire
10 but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion.
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness.
12 I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.

Throughout 1 Timothy 2 Paul makes it very clear he is speaking for himself and himself only. This is a letter, not Scripture.

[Cronos]

Cool, do you think your group, the Unitarians have disproven, using sola scriptura Christ's divinity in the Trinity? Why don't you let your mates here know exactly how the Unitarians disprove this?

[Jaded]

Here is a short break:

I actually know this man. He’s 57. He currently attends a Roman Catholic church (about 10 years now). For approximately 2 years he was attending a non-denominational on Saturdays while going the Catholic service on Sunday. He has been married by a Lutheran minister, non-denominational minister and another minister. He was baptized/saved as a Presbyterian as a teen.

Now for the funny part... his mother who is none of these and currently a Baptist (and a missionary) told him he is not a Christian because he has never been saved and the Presbyterian ceremony didn’t count. (even though she was there at the time)

So... what is he?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread

[Cronos]

Do note that the rest of us here are Christians, well except for Old Reggie, who being a Unitarian (and we know that Unitarians deny the divinity of Christ in the Trinity) think that any cult like your group which worships Malek Taus and claims that there are nine gods, is not Christian. So, if your group wants to speak for some strange non-Christian deity, go ahead, keep believing in that junk.

When you get fed up, return to Christ in Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church.

[Cronos]

And, remember, don't excerpt! As I said "Well, to ES’ defence, he has never said he speaks for GOD. The group he belongs to seems to hold Melek Taus as Lord."

which was in response to your Continue to mock those that the Lord has sent to counsel you; by those means you may continue in your darkness. --> so if your group wants us to follow it's strange non-Christian deities, don't expect any luck, we'll follow Christ, Our Lord and God, thank you.

[OLD REGGIE]

"Comment?"

Do you believe that Jacob Gebhart did his own original research? Perhaps he merely citing what in some circles is common knowledge or relying on earlier sources. I not you are attacking the messenger instead of defending your statements.

Diversion?

Quix is correct in that "You have a way with stealing words."

[Cronos]

1 Timothy 2 in a "condensed" version which supports the typically misogynistic view

Woo hoo -- you mean to say that you think that groups like Rns, Dr. Es, and Wmfights should have women priestesses?

[stfassisi]

It would be as if Christ had said, "There will be a new Covenant, but NONE of you will be part of it and neither will the next fifty generations.

I'll bet there are some around here who believe this

BTW, Your post was outstanding!Thank You

[wagglebee]

Throughout 1 Timothy 2 Paul makes it very clear he is speaking for himself and himself only. This is a letter, not Scripture.

So, now the epistles of Saint Paul ARE NOT Scripture?

I've been told by some in the YOPIOS crowd that the Gospels aren't for Christians, now I'm being told that the Pauline epistles aren't Scripture. I'd love to see the YOPIOS crowd develop their "5 solas" with nothing more than the Catholic Epistles and Revelation.

[OLD REGGIE]

"By now you should know enough to give the source of the photos. Otherwise, totally meaningless."

But, but, but, how can she provide the actual links without admitting that she is copying content from "those" sites again.

But, but, but, what is your excuse for not giving a source for your copied material?

[wagglebee]

You seem to have missed the really good part of Reggie's post, by that I mean the part that says that Saint Paul's epistles ARE NOT Scripture.

[Jaded]

His post was outstanding.

There probably are people here who believe that statement. Clueless people.

[presently no screen name]

KNOWN and READ pertains to outward visible love.

OMG! Is that what the RCC taught you? And you weren't able to see for yourself how absolutely deceptive that interpretation is?

We CAN READ a heart by someones actions ,it's not a literal book reading. People CAN know LOVE and DO LOVE without reading the Bible and there a fundamentalists wacko's who read the Bible don't love at all

I'm floored! And THEN you point the finger at wacko's who read the Bible. If this post is the product of the RCC now, all I can see they have reached THE BOTTOM! When I left it wasn't even that bad.

The Parable of the Sower and Seed - a most basic teaching of Christianity - what Jesus taught is foreign to you. And you speak of love? Not knowing HIM for He is The Word of God is not loving HIM.

Dr E. I keep saying, 'they don't even know that'? But you are right, again. It sure explains the attacks against you. Us Christians are mightily blessed knowing The Word and having The Holy Spirit within as Teacher and Comforter. We are blessed going in and going out. Sola Scripture ALL THE TIME!

Thank You God for guiding me out of that bondage/deceptive pit, the RCC.