Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
>>>”Peter the first mega church preacher...”
Somehow this Megachurch “Bishop” doesn’t bring St. Peter to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbU5XoBgtH4&feature=related
Fine. You're Catholic. I'm Evangelical. It's the same broad level of disclosure.
You want specific denominations? Then start posting specific rites and parishes. That would provide the same risk of your compromising your screen name that your demands would put on others.
If you're not willing to go beyond *Catholic*, which leaves us some alleged 1.2 billion people to choose from, then we're not willing to go beyond *Protestant* or *Evangelical* and it puts Catholics in no position to criticize others for not being more specific.
Quite so. quite so. Absolutely accurate, imho.
Thx.
However, I suppose they expect us to show reverence for the following Statsions
of the Stations of the White Hanky:
1. Icon to bearing false witness
2. The black/white icon of duplicity, the double standard dance
3. The icon to the doctrine of—when all else fails—kill the messenger.
4. Icon to chronically changing the subject
5. Icon of obfuscations to the supreme degree
12. Icon to the unholy flip-flops in word meanings and arguments
13. Icon to the kill-the-messenger-in-worshipful-behalf-of-Mary strategy
14. Icon to the fantasized divine right, to be correct, pristinely sanctified & perfectly flawless in all respects in all cases all the time, regardless.
15. Icon to chronic & obsessive inconsistency.
16. Icon to the rc rabid clique trolling ritual
17. Icon to the undivine right of terminal snootiness to the max.
19. Icon to the haughty tyrannical !!!!DEMAND!!!! for an apology to imagined wrongs that never happened.
I don’t know if they are claiming that we owe them reverence on the grounds of their
. . . moral incapacity/handicap &/or
. . . spiritual incapacity/handicap &/or
. . . intellectual incapacity/handicap &/or
. . . general mean-spirited perverseness &/or
. . . chronic and terminal hostility, rage and anger problems &/or
. . . whatever such.
If you have any insight on that, please let me know.
We have a choice of the anti Catholics here or the Lutherans in the picture.
Or the Clown Communion Service at the Westminster Presbyterian Church here.
But he made it very clear that he will say, do and become anything in order to gain converts. Some can see it as a virtue, others as a vice.
That is not really true, as anyone who has a decent working knowledge of Scripture would know.
I seriously doubt that he would lie, cheat, steal, murder, compromise his beliefs, preach a different gospel.
Identifying with someone culturally, becoming all things to all men, is not the same as saying, doing, or becoming anything to gain converts.
That's an intellectually dishonest portrayal of Paul's words.
And you know this how?
in post 12571, 2000silverlings started harping on denominational affiliation on this thread.
What about all these digs at Quix with the UFO stuff? That's carrying something from thread to thread?
YOU are the one dragging it to this thread. I am not.
Do not make this thread about me.
What? A Catholic admitting that he was poorly catechized?
I thought the Catholic church had all the answers. At least to hear the FRoman Catholics on these threads, it does.
I don't recall asking you anything about your denominational affiliation on this thread. 1000silverlings brought it up in 12571. I don't recall expressing any curiosity about your denomination affiliation on this thread.
Do not make this about me.
Demand away. Now who's got the thin skin?
19. Icon to the haughty tyrannical !!!!DEMAND!!!! for an apology to imagined wrongs that never happened.
The RM has largely purged the most intense postings; which means that many have had their sins covered. The good lady has done the honourable thing. You defended her. I see that you have not done the honourable thing. But then, it was not really expected.
PUHLEASE EVERYONE, PUHLEASE
avoid making this about dear Sister in Christ Judith Anne.
Why is it always do as I say and not as I do with the Catholics?
Why the mod complex of dictating to others how they should or shouldn’t behave on threads in the form of giving orders?
Catholics seem to have some real serious control issues.
Masons don’t seem to have a problem with it. They’re quite popular.
Google is most expressive. 1.2 million hits on Presbyterian clown worship. Individual Presbyterian church sites brag of their clown ministries. Some of them put up photos of the wondrous events.
Well, if we did have an intended Catholic dictatorship, we'd start with the USCCB and muck out those stables first. With the Crystal Cathedral in bankruptcy, and many of the other megachurches on their way, and the true Christians either swimming the Tiber TO the Church, or heading East, we shall see the latest installment in the saga of children of the Reformation. There should be a whole bunch of abandoned sola church buildings in the Western world vacant and available in the next 10 years or so...
They have nothing else. All of them worship something different. If they don’t like their current church, they can go down the street and start another one and rip out the pages they don’t like. The only thing they have in common is their Christian Hatred of Catholics and Kosta. At least Kosta is honest.
Not worth answering
Not any more. And yes, their rituals, unlike the KofC, do include blood oaths.
I can't be sure because like with rnmomof7's conception of the Trinity I look at it once or twice and then try to pretend I'm not seeing it; but I think smvoice asserted exactly that Paul's Gospel was different than Peter's Gospel.
In these mega-threads I don't know that I've ever seen one Protestant correct another Protestant on a point of doctrine and what it really seems like is that as long as one isn't Catholic absolutely anything goes... as long as it doesn't look like it might be Catholic at which point it's "pagan, pagan, pagan".
No thin skin at all.
It just seems exceedingly fitting for you to be called to account to your own tyrannical standards.
You demanded I apologize for something I didn’t do.
I’m merely repeatedly asking you to apologize for something quite UnChristian that you did do—accused me of something I did NOT do.
I think the hypocrisy is quite illustrative and worth some multiple opportunities for lurkers to learn of such character qualities by the frequent RC posters hereon.
Besides, I think it’s one of the more loving things to do to give folks a repeated opportunity to apologize when fitting.
I have a pretty good idea you already know all about what is and isn't available about historical Christianity and my research will do nothing to change any mind already made up. Eyewitness accounts are what make up the majority of the New Testament and what we know about the history. I hardly doubt a myth could have the kind of impact it did and does to this day were it not true. There are a few non-scriptural writers that attest to many of the events that happened as well as archeology but we don't know all that there was because time, wars, lack of technology, etc. have taken their toll on much of antiquity. We barely have any proof that Julius Caesar really existed, do we?
God wants faith, he demands it and those who refuse to exercise it, lose the light he brings with it.
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