Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
mind reading and personal— your crayons need replacing
We don’t want a PHYSICAL LOCATION.
That’s immaterial.
We want to know WHAT IS YOUR AFFILIATION. What is your creed. Why are you not a Presbyterian or pentecostal or any one of the many protestant churches.
It’s very disingenuous to pretend accord with the others on this forum when the only accord reached in most cases is opposition of Catholicism.
Are you one of the non-denominational groups? If so, what is your belief? I have a friend who believes in foot washing as a major tenet of her faith.
I can only surmise that each is hiding behind their differences and lack the courage of their convictions to even claim what they believe.
I believe Christ is Lord.
We have that in common.
It’s a shame that so many lack the courage to say why they are one thing and not another in their very public lust to provide a unified opposition.
That’s all I have to say.
my my another little demandment
I agree with you 100%, but apparently, that’s too intrusive for some.
lead the way if it’s so important
BTW, there is a very good reason Luke was with Paul. If you read the Word you could find the answer. It isn't difficult..
You are most welcome. ;)
It’s not important to me. I AM CATHOLIC.
There. My faith.
Unfortunately, reading comprehension is lacking on this board.
Your location is immaterial as is mine.
Your location is of no interest to me.
What is interesting is the lack of courage by so many to hide what one believes and what affiliation, or not, for that matter. Shame.
Well, It would be difficult at best for Hinn to preach as he did there were it not for some understanding of Grace. He pretty much nailed it but didn’t mention Christ. Perhaps in another video. But he is correct about Grace.
There are many many things I do not like at all about Hinns style and things he adheres to. So much is theatrics and he certainly has amassed much extravagant wealth for himself. He’s been exposed so many times for fraud and a host of other accusations. But if or not he is Christian? It would appear possible....or else he’s just copying another sermon he thought would entertain the crowd.
Either way I would not encourage anyone to hear him either...he goes too far out to the wacky side. There are many like him in the world...some intitially saved but have shipwrecked for the monetary and popular gain. Rather like some within the Catholic church as well...they are just better at hiding it..as we know.
Are you ashamed of which Catholic sect you belong to? So you’re Catholic, so we’re Protestant, that’s your answer. And FYI I have never made any attempt to hide what denomination I am or what I believe on these threads.
“I agree with you 100%, but apparently, that’s too intrusive for some.”
They wouldn’t be able to play the little game of comfy-chair faux-missionary pretending a unified opposition.
Their differences would point up their fallacies.
Good night.
before you go, may I ask one more thing?
“Are you ashamed of which Catholic sect you belong”
Being absurd doesn’t give you any points.
“And FYI I have never made any attempt to hide what denomination I am or what I believe on these threads.
Well, you can believe in dinosaurs contemporary with Homo Sapiens sapiens if you want then as your “co-religionist” does.
LOL!
Given that the evident reality testing is so poor, perhaps it would be helpful to give a short lesson in basic realities involved.
People are living creatures created in God's image. I think even Roman Catholics would agree to that. Probably even the rabid clique sorts would agree to that. They have mothers, fathers, are born, live, work, have relationships, hopefully learn to love and serve God and fellow man etc. Some of them even post on FR.
Documents are not living creatures. Unless they are written in blood, they are unlikely to have blood in them. They appear on screens, on paper, on walls, on TV's, on movies, on billboards . . . they are symbols, text conveying agreed-upon meanings. They are not people and cannot pretend convincingly to be people.
I NEVER supported the document or even had one thing to say about it until late in the game when I noted it was false.
I always supported RNMomOf7 as a person and as an honorable Christiand and an honorable FREEPER. I am glad I did. I still do. Folks who have a hard time with that can go suck rocks.
My best guess as Quix . . . is that the fury was sooooooooo over the cliff intense against the person of RNMomOf7; that little of it has leaked off but has been transferred. How honorable. /sar
Routinely, the only hate speech I observe on FR is that directed by a cluster of rabid clique sorts of RC's toward Dr E and myself, primarily and somewhat occasionally at other Proddys. It is routinely mean-spirited, harshly personally assaultive and viscious. It's virtually never apologized for.
The irony in the post I'm replying to is probably sufficient to provide another complete 8 lanes worth of QE2 pontoons for the pontoon bridge between San Diego and Sydney with proably a branch to New Zealand.
I Do read the Scripures,but I read it in line with the Church and over 2000 years of consistent teachings from Holy Saints and Martyrs.
In doing so I don't end up copying heretics like marcion as you have sadly done.
I wish you a Blessed day!
“...telling me what I am free to believe in.”
That’s no different than you and your co-religionists telling CATHOLIC WHAT CATHOLICS BELIEVE.
You post that rudeness to me and then are outraged at ME for being uncharitable? You need to get a grip. You don’t recognize anything, you jump in with both cloven hooves and demand universal Christian charity. SHIRLEY you jest. The example of your Christian walk have just tripped you up. I’ll not be preached to by one so deep in hypocrisy. Try to practice what you preach.
“...heretics like marcion as you have sadly done. “
Alas, dear Stfassisi, that isn’t the only heresy they have embraced.
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