Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
You’re the one with the complaint.
I await your post number.
Sheesh.
We don’t need to hold our breaths waiting for those to be dealt with honorably! LOL.
Never is a long time.
AMEN! AMEN!
AMEN, presently! I haven’t seen you post in a few days..hope everything is great for you!
Only an imperial dame would order people about and demand they do things she herself wont do.
Catholics sure are good about giving out orders and not feeling obligated to follow them themselves.
A simple google search of the topic can provide you with plenty of images.
It’s easy to do if one is not too lazy.
If that's your “extemporaneous product” then by the same definition I should be able to call this mine:
“Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.”
I may have read something Lincoln wrote, like the Gettysburg Address, years ago.
“”However, if two people arrive at a nearly identical conclusion when independently studying the same subject there is a pretty good probability it is true, wouldn't you agree?”
No, since what you posted is from someone else and you are taking credit for it, claiming it as your “product”:
“It is the extemporaneous product of many years of reading and studying biblical history. I may even have read the Gephart article years ago.”
“Now if you want to discuss any of the points I made I am more than willing to discuss them and provide even more corroboration, although not extemporaneously.”
You haven't provided any “corroboration” of anything other than you have quoted other’s work verbatim as your own “product”.
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." -- Matthew 18:20
Let me see if I can make this clear enough for you: there is NOTHING that makes me believe that groups who routinely avoid reading the Gospel are gathered in Christ's Name.
Worship of the Pauline epistles DOES NOT make a person a Christian.
The mods have already slapped down Catholics for demanding to know the particular churches Protestants attend, but that doesn’t stop them from trying again,.....
and again,....
and again,.......
This double standard of applying two sets of rules to people is not surprising from my real life experience with Catholics. They’re just great at excusing in themselves what they condemn in others.
There you go again Cronos, after many times posting about Constantine V not being a Pope...you still do not get it that he believed himself to be non-the-less....why can’t you put this stuff down? It really isn’t relevant to the topic.
I watched this thread go far beyond debate to ‘something else’, where the beast comes out of the closests... which is surely not of the Lord. Christ walked away from the religious teachers and teachings, once he called them out, and got about the business He was here to do.
What is happening now on this thread is completely worldly and then some. Schoolground plays....bullies and beyond that in the name of Christ??????
I wouldn't say she was ugly, but every time she puts on lipstick, it tries to crawl back into the tube...
I tried to get her to go ice fishing before the ice got too thick...
What does she call a broom? Basic transportation...
She was bitten by a dog yesterday. She's fine, but the dog died...
As I already told Dr. E., I have found her source.
Everything for the good of the faithful: The salvation of souls is the supreme law. (those are the last words of the code of canon law)
Er... "the salvation of souls, which must always be the supreme law in the Church, is to be kept before one’s eyes." It's not the "power" of the priest, it's the Power of Christ who operates through human agents NONE of whom are worthy. It's not like you're suggesting that someone can be good enough to exercise the ministry of Christ, but it does seem that you think someone can be bad enough to hinder it.
by the way let's have the Catholics here reveal which kinds of Catholic churches they frequent. Or is that just for Protestants?
Okay, let's see what you have to say about that.
You’re so funny.
The false oath of the KofC, like all anti Catholic screeds, needs to be exposed in the light of day and all rational people need to quit posting it as truth. That is what I want. I have no idea what you are going on about here. We are discussing the events as they transpired yesterday and Quix's outspoken support for a hate document that the original poster has apologized for. Quix hasn't, gives no indication that he ever will and has not clue one why what happened is evil and needs to be exposed for the evil that it is.
I praise Jim Robinson for the strong ethical standards that he enforces among the mods on the RF and he does not allow hate speech here.
SMV...”Then you might just have a problem, stfassisi... read and ponder this:””
SMV adds the following Scripture”In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL”. (Rom. 2:16).
I don’t have a problem,you do, because your marcion like elevation of Saint Paul fails to see the depth of how to understand this.
Here is something to help you from Blessed Saint John Chrysostom’s Homilies on Romans- Homily 5
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/210205.htm
Ver. 16. “In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my Gospel.”
See how he again puts that day before them, and brings it close to them, battering down their conceit, and showing, that those were to be the rather honored who without the Law strove earnestly to fulfil the things of the Law. But what is most to be marvelled at in the discretion of the Apostle, it is worth while to mention now. For having shown, from the grounds given, that the Gentile is greater than the Jew; in the inference, and the conclusion of his reasoning, he does not state it, in order not to exasperate the Jew. But to make what I have said clearer, I will give the very words of the Apostle. For after saying, that it is not the hearers of the Law, but the doers of the Law, that shall be justified, it followed to say, “For when the Gentiles, which have not the Law, do by nature the things contained in the Law,” they are much better than those who are instructed by the Law. But this he does not say, but he stays at the encomium of the Gentiles, and does not yet awhile carry on his discourse by way of comparison, that so at least the Jew may receive what is said. And so he does not word it as I was doing, but how? “For when the Gentiles, which have not the Law, do by nature the things contained in the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law unto themselves; which show the work of the Law, written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness.” For the conscience and reason does suffice in the Law’s stead. By this he showed, first, that God made man independent, so as to be able to choose virtue and to avoid vice. And be not surprised that he proves this point, not once or twice, but several times. For this topic was very needful for him toprove owing to those who say, Why ever is it, that Christ came but now? And where in times before was the (most manuscripts this mighty) scheme of Providence? Now it is these that he is at present beating off by the way, when he shows that even in former times, and before the Law was given, the human race (Gr. nature) fully enjoyed the care of Providence. For “that which may be known of God was manifest in them,” and they knew what was good, and what bad; by means whereof they judged others, which he reproaches them with, when he says, “wherein you judge another, you condemn yourself.” But in the case of the Jews, besides what has been mentioned, there was the Law, and not reason or conscience only. And why does he put the words “accusing or else excusing?”— for, if they have a Law written, and show the work of it in them, how comes reason to be able to accuse them still? But he is not any longer speaking of those only who do well, but also of mankind (Gr. the nature) universally. For then our reasonings stand up, some accusing and some excusing. And at that tribunal a man needs no other accuser. Then to add to their fear, he does not say the sins of men, but the secrets of men. For since he said, “Do you think, that judgest them that do such things, and doest the same, that you shall escape the judgment of God;” that you may not expect such a sentence as you pass yourself, but may know, that that of God is far more exact than your own, he brings in, “the secrets of men,” and adds, “through Jesus Christ according to my Gospel.” For men sit in judgment upon overt acts alone. And above too he spoke of the Father alone, but as soon as he had crushed them with fear, he brought in the mention of Christ also. But he does not do barely this, but even here, after having made mention of the Father, he so introduces Him. And by the same things he raises the dignity of his preaching. For this preaching, he means, openly speaks out what nature taught by anticipation. Do you see with what wisdom he has bound them both to the Gospel and to Christ, and demonstrated that our affairs come not here to a stand, but travel further. And this he made good before also, when he said, “you store up to yourself wrath against the day of wrath:” and here again, “God shall judge the secrets of men.”
Now let each man enter into his own conscience, and reckoning up his transgressions, let him call himself to a strict account, that we be not then condemned with the world.( 1 Corinthians 11:32).....
boy is that ever the truth
Any clergy can be dismisssed from the clerical state. It just takes a very long time and the Church court system is even more unwieldy than the American one. I don't know what the figures are, but there has been some action regarding the sex abuse scandals and clergy that participated in, or covered up for these horrific deeds.
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