Do we get an apology now, or is Rnmomof7 the only honourable one in your crowd?
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
If it helps any, when I read her public apology, I just as publically accepted it.
Absolutely right.
Sin begets sin begets sin...and the lies and deceit went on and on. Educators do not normally have those options...they are caught and loose their job often with criminal penalty. Further, as you said, the Catholic clergy has a higher standard to live up to...which in the issue of pedophiles and homosexuality they have indeed failed to rid the church of and in fact supported it by not doing so.
The saddest part of our society now is there is nobody protecting our children....they are layed on the alter of the self-indulgent society we have become...which is now also a part of our churches.
These are your fellow Presbyterians.
I like the direct quotations from Calvin in French, English and Latin. Machen is also quoted, but only in English. I would have hoped for Swahili, but I guess Machen spent so much time resurrecting old heresies and concocting new ones, that he didn't have much time for languages.
Great points.
Do we get an apology now, or is Rnmomof7 the only honourable one in your crowd?
Who's them? The clown travesty was in a Lutheran service.
You have it backwards. Paul does not say anything through the Holy Spirit, Paul is the servant of the Holy Spirit, not Its master. The Holy Spirit speaks through Paul and the authorship of the Gospel remains with God.
It wasn’t a Mass; it was a Lutheran service. http://www.alittleleaven.com/2007/06/clownled_worshi.html
Notice the vestments and the church decor.
I don’t recall anything to apologize for.
I supported the person, not the document. I don’t recall saying diddly about the document, other than that it was false after that came out.
However, as I recall, the reasons for you to apologize to me have been lost count of because I never started counting them. It would likely be many dozens by now.
Certainly, Paul had a burden for "the lost". He would have probably been wearing you out with his preaching were he still here with us. ;o)
Paul did what he did because of love for the Lord and his fellow man. He did not want to see anyone condemned and even said he wished he could go to hell if it meant someone else would be saved from it. He disciplined himself so that no one could say he was a hypocrite and disregard his message. No, sorry, he was not in it for himself by any means. If that were true, he would have continued in his wealthy, privileged and snooty "religious" life because he was certainly doing just fine before his encounter with Jesus.
Finally, if you deny early church history about the fates of all the apostles and thousands of disciples because there is little extra-biblical documentation about them, then you must also deny everything else about the Christian faith. Oh...wait...you do. Doesn't matter, God demands faith to relate to him and some find that too much to ask.
You do not have a problem, those who elevate the status of Paul above Jesus and the Holy Spirit do. It was at least highly Freudian that smvoice would state that Paul speaks through the Holy Spirit. Just add it to a long line of Paulian heresies espoused in this Forum by the anti-Catholics.
We have a choice of the anti Catholics here or the Lutherans in the picture.
I also have a hard time recalling you facing many of the points I’ve made much at all, much less squarely and honorably.
In your red- marker correction, you forgot to address the point of the post: My gospel. Not our gospel. Or THE gospel. Changing the subject does help my posting skills but does nothing toward understanding the gospel by which believers will be judged. But thanks for the correction.
You really are a riot, in a Rodney Dangerfield kind of way.
WRONG again.
Though I wouldn’t say that Christ is present in every Proddy service all the time in a tangible, detectable way.
Scripture says that where 2 or 3 are gathered, HE IS THERE.
We realize that the RCC disagrees with the unrubberized Scriptures.
Thank you for the kind words. I wish I could take credit, but I need to ping this on to the good Dr. E. Those were her thoughts and Scriptural citations. They are so very true that they were worthy of repeating.
Just wondering, did St. Augustine really capitalize all those words in that quote?
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