Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Cronos]

So, you don't agree with the other members of your group on this forum who said "Ignatius was a lost soul" and said who would go to hell and not?

And, we do preach The Gospel, the Gospel of Christ, our Lord and God. If your grouping wants to deny the divinity of Christ and the Trinity, go ahead.

[smvoice]

Ah, so we're back into score cards, huh? Like the big flock ONE BILLION strong, the we are the ONLY church, and we pray to more people that YOU DO. Authority does not always come with amount of time spent on a website. Authority comes through the written word of God. Or a group of fallible men given their authority by gullible lazy non-readers who would rather be told the story than read it for themselves. I know the pictures are pretty, but sometimes a person just NEEDS to read the words for understanding. And salvation.

Have you ever wondered what the first words a gargoyle would say, if it could talk? I used to wonder. Then I found certain posters that I'm sure speak for the gargoyles.

[Cronos]

from the same website

In 2020 (when everyone presumably will have perfect vision), our current Principles and Purposes may also be perceived to have inadequacies that demand radical rewriting. And therein lies our genius. It's a process that is rightly called renewal or regeneration.

[Cronos]

from the same website of the Unitarian Universalists

In 2020 (when everyone presumably will have perfect vision), our current Principles and Purposes may also be perceived to have inadequacies that demand radical rewriting. And therein lies our genius. It's a process that is rightly called renewal or regeneration.

[Cronos]

Actually, the score card is more like this -- 2000 years of protection by the Holy Spirit, most of the time INSPITE of ourselves (viz. The Church's people, laity and ministers have shot ourselves in the foot many times) yet we survive, not because of what we are but because the Holy Spirit looks over us, as we keep true to the Teachings of Christ through His Apostles.

In contrast, all the heresies out here have a very short shelf life, a few hundred years and in particular the groupings represented on this thread now are not Lutherans or Angicans or Methodists but far newer groupings, most created by founders in the past century or less and most having a terribly short shelf-life. Your own heresy will die out quickly, don't you worry! And Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church will continue, as we have for 2000 years, thanks to God's grace.

[count-your-change]

Your questions are but an example of what I called “one-upsmanship” since they assume that which I did not say or imply.
And no, I won't play that game of “have you quit beating your wife yet?”.

[Cronos]

Or a group of fallible men given their authority by gullible lazy non-readers who would rather be told the story than read it for themselves.

You're talking about the local non-Church "pastor" who sings and shout and screams and thumps? Yeah, right! Cross-it, as "Bishop" Eddie Long said :-P

[wagglebee]

Pretty sure it went on for years and had more than 60K in posts but I can't find it with the search function, Super Dave or one of the posters on that thread might be able to give a more accurate accounting. At this point I'm curious as to the accuracy of my unreliable memory!

I think I know which one you are talking about, but if you look at the link to the one I posted you will see that there is nothing past 65,534 even though it shows more.

It has something to do with the programming that FR uses. 65,535 = 2¹⁶ - 1, posts beyond that won't fit.

[Cronos]

You know that you're trying to divert the topic which is that RnMomof7 posted a lying link that was akin to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Do you agree with posting such lies on the Religion forum? Once a lie like that is posted, and even worse, argued that it is true, when there is so much evidence for it's falsity there is no possibility of further dialogue.

But, I don't blame Rn for that, just like you, she too has been lied to by her pastors, by the groupings who just spout hatred against Christ and Christ's Church by telling such lies (and the gaffes on history like Pope Constantine V!). It's a pity that you keep following these distortions instead of having a true relationship with Christ in Eucharist in Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church

[Quix]

They had to start a new section at the 65,xxx mark because of software design limitations.

[Quix]

WELL PUT.

[Quix]

NONSENSE.

WISHFUL THINKING.

Holy Spirit protects CHRIST’S BODY

that’s different from any

bureaucratic magicsterical power-monger led INSTITUTION of man.

[Natural Law]

"The question is does wmfights agree with Editor surveyor’s assessment of Benny Hinn’s theology?"

The only point of agreement that is important to them is that they agree on their contempt for the Catholic Church. Everything else, even the divinity of Jesus, is secondary to that.

[maryz]

Pretty sure it went on for years and had more than 60K in posts but I can't find it with the search function,

This one? The Never-Ending Story -- 65,535 (2¹⁶-1) posts.

[Cronos]

Yes, the Holy Spirit protects Christ's Body, as Saint Augustine said

"What the soul is to man's body, the Holy Spirit is to the Body of Christ, which is the Church.
The Holy Spirit does in the whole Church what the soul does in all members of one body.
But see what you must beware of, see what you must take note of, see what you must fear.
It happens that in the human body, or rather, off the body, some member, whether hand, finger, or foot, may be cut away. And if a member be cut off, does the soul go with it?
When the member was in the body, it lived; and off, its life is lost. So too, a Christian man is Catholic while he lives in the body; cut off, he is made a heretic; the Spirit does not follow an amputated member."

Sermons, 267, 4, 391-430 A.D.

The Holy Spirit has protected Christ's body, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church for 2000 years, nothing else explains why we have survived for 2000 years of persecutions, bad priests, popes, heresies so strong they threatened to overwhelm us (Donatists, Marcionites, Arians -- remember the Visigoths and Lombards who conquered much of the WEstern Empire were Arian, down to the 14th and 15th century heresies), we've survived that not because of anything we are, but SOLELY due to the Holy Spirit and His grace.

[wagglebee]

ICON TO BEARING FALSE WITNESS

Let's take a look at what I wrote in post #12,471:

Nevertheless, he is one of their preferred sources (actually, they prefer the comic book version, but they aren't allowed to post from it).

This was in response to post #12,467 by Jaded:

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t see Loraine Boetner as a reputable source.

Now, if you want to accuse me of bearing false witness that's fine, but it would also you are accusing me of bearing false witness against a group that I've only identified as "their" and "they." So, why don't you define who "their/they" is and tell us who the members of that group are and then we can discuss whether or not I'm guilty of bearing false witness.

And yes, I'm well aware that it would require mind reading on your part to infer which group I meant by "they/their," but I'm also aware that it required mind reading to accuse me in the first place.

[count-your-change]

An error made, acknowledged and apologized for by rn7, enough is enough. I don't need that antisemitic “pound of flesh”.

[kosta50]

I can’t tell you what Protestants believe individually. If there is any agreement with orthodoxy (i.e. Triniatrian, Christological), all you have to do is scratch the surface to discover the agreement was merely terminoloigcal, but not ontological. They make up their own theology “as the Spirit leads them” as they like to say.

[Cronos]

1. The reference by rnmomof7 was akin to The false Protocols of the Elders of Zion, yes.
2. The apology by Rnmomof7 in post 12379 is very commendable and shows her as truly being deceived by the falseness of her sources and pastors.

As I keep repeating this is not to blame her or caww (who was similarly deceived into posting the bit about Pope Constantine V), but the persons who fed them these lies. These lies are spread by fake pastors and anti-Church website. What is sad is that you don't realise how much these "pastors" lie even about the Bible until you see them obviously lying about history and other hard facts.

[Jaded]

What?