Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Mark , you may not like what I post. I usually post from the word of God to support my words.. not catechisms, or church fathers or other fallible sources.. I post the direct word of God..I am sorry if Gods word offends..but that is what it is intended to do..drive men to their knees to repent
Sola Ecclesia Romanus
Only the Church of Rome is the Rule of Faith
Give up that hate and work with me. There is the Catholic Church, with five bishops that make up the hierarchy of the Church.
Rome is an appropriate name for doctrines that flow from Rome
Just to show how much you were not Catholic, please consider this: the Vatican is not in Rome. I don't care what you taught, what committees you staffed, what things you did, prating these foolish things just simply puts you in the anti-Catholic-at-at-any-cost category.
I do not hate catholics, I hate the deception that will cost men their eternity
That does not come through. The hatred of the Church does. Your self-described salvation and the self-satisfaction of that does also.
I have a huge sadness for those in Catholicism. On the day of their death they will learn the truth, and it will be too late..
Yes, your joining of an exclusive club is very satisfying to you. Just consider this: you believe in double predestination. So therefore, it does not matter what you do; the Reformed God will claim each of His own. Why do you even bother? Why not spend Sundays doing whatever strikes you as appropriate? It doesn't matter to your God, anyway, right? What is the point of you even posting here? Since it does not matter if anyone joins the Church or leaves it, what are you putting yourself out for? Are you predestined to butt heads with the Christian Church?
The 30% number came from a Gallup Poll which was conducted nearly a decades ago. The poll was for American Catholics and there is no way of verifying if those polled were Catholic or even practicing Catholics.
However, a poll conducted more recently for the book "American Catholics Today: New Realities of Their Faith and Their Church", found that 81 percent say that “belief that Jesus is really present in the Eucharist” is essential in their understanding of the Catholic faith.
Keep in mind that the survey is of a cross section of the 65 million Catholics in the U.S. and that Latinos were greatly underrepresented). Among the more highly committed Catholics, it is reasonable to assume that belief in the Real Presence is considerably higher than 81 percent.
I’m not a Knight. Found a long thread about the oath here with people on both sides discussing the wheres and whys:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=86639
It was somewhat informative for those have an interest. I didn’t come close to reading all 24 pages. The first page or two gave the general gist. Although when I see a thread that is 24 pages long there is probably fireworks somewhere along the line.
Lets first look at what Tertullion TEACHES
"Let us cast the tree upon His bread,' which means, of course, the cross upon His body. And thus, casting light, as He always did, upon the ancient prophecies, He declared plainly enough what He meant by the bread, when He called the bread His own body. He likewise, when mentioning the cup and making the new testament to be sealed 'in His blood,' affirms the reality of His body. For no blood can belong to a body which is not a body of flesh. If any sort of body were presented to our view, which is not one of flesh, not being fleshly, it would not possess blood. Thus, from the evidence of the flesh, we get a proof of the body, and a proof of the flesh from the evidence of the blood." Tertullian, Against Marcion, 40 (A.D. 212).
Now to Blessed Athansius
You shall see the Levites bringing loaves and a cup of wine, and placing them on the table. So long as the prayers of supplication and entreaties have not been made, there is only bread and wine. But after the great and wonderful prayers have been completed, then the bread is become the Body, and the wine the Blood, of our Lord Jesus Christ. 'And again:' Let us approach the celebration of the mysteries. This bread and this wine, so long as the prayers and supplications have not taken place, remain simply what they are. But after the great prayers and holy supplications have been sent forth, the Word comes down into the bread and wine - and thus His Body is confected.",-"Sermon to the Newly Baptized" ante 373 A.D.
Now to Augustine
"You ought to know what you have received, what you are going to receive, and what you ought to receive daily. That Bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Body of Christ. The chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Blood of Christ."-"Sermons", [227, 21
Theodoret
And after the consecration how do you name these? Orth.-Christ's body and Christ's blood. Eran.-And do yon believe that you partake of Christ's body and blood? Orth.-I do.Theodoret, Dialogue 2
As for Pope Gelasius,Ludwig Ott's "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma addresses this perfectly..
Did Pope Gelasius deny the doctrine of transubstantiation?
Here is the relevant passage often foisted by critics of the Catholic faith:
"Sacred Scripture, testifying that this Mystery[ie. The Incarnation] began at the start of the blessed Conception, says; 'Wisdom has built a house for itself'(Prov 9:1), rooted in the solidity of the sevenfold Spirit. This Wisdom ministers to us the food of the Incarnation of Christ through which we are made sharers of the divine nature. Certainly the sacraments of the Body and Blood of Christ that we receive are a divine reality, because of which and through which we 'are made sharers of the divine nature'(1 Pt 1:4). Nevertheless the substance or nature of bread and wine does not cease to exist. And certainly the image and likeness of the Body and Blood of Christ are celebrated in the carrying out the Mysteries."
Pope Gelasius I[regn A.D. 492-496],Tract on the two natures against Eutchyes & Nestorius.
First, Pope Gelasius categorically affirms the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. This is denied by White. Second, Pope Gelasius was concerned in defending the nature of Christ not the Eucharist. So he was not so concerned in giving his understanding of the Eucharist as he was in explaining the mystery of the Incarnation. Remember, the Church was concerned with various Christological heresies at this time which denied the two natures, the two wills, and the one [divine]personhood of Christ. At this point in time, the mystery of the Eucharist had not so developed in the mind of the Church to force upon the mind of Pope Gelasius an expression of the Eucharist in the terms of transubstantiation. The Church had to develop a theological language to express the mind of the Church on various matters of faith. The Church was just beginning to express its thoughts to describe the change of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. There was no question regarding a Real Presence in the Eucharist; however, it is another matter regarding the type of change(consubstantiation, transubstantiation etc.). At best, Pope Gelasius was simply saying that the appearance[accidents] of bread/wine remain alongside the Real Presence in an attempt to explain the mystery of the Incarnation, since Christ humanity remains alongside His divinity. Some scholars interpret the above passage to refer to the accidents of the bread and wine. Even this analogy has some holes in it. At worst, Pope Gelasius was simply incorrect in his Eucharistic theology. I tend to believe the Pope was somewhere in the middle. That is, Pope Gelasius was not so concerned with explaining the doctrine of the Eucharist, but wanted to explain the Incarnation via an analogy. As with most analogies, they are imperfect. In addition, his theological vocabulary did not allow him to express the mystery of the Eucharist with any more precision.
I think it would be a catastrophic loss! :o)
Jesus says you’re a jerk.
NOPE.
Merely a good chunk of those wherein political control had already polluted the scene quite a lot played along.
As God told the prophet . . . He had reserved 7000 who had not bowed the knee to Baal.
I suspect He reserved more than that who had not bowed the knee to Rome or any of the other political power centers but to God alone.
That beats the hell out of making it up as you go along and having not authority other than the voices in your head, the fiery sermons of the Rev. Billy-Bob Rolex, and the wanna-be apostles of the reformation.
Not remotely
“clearly”
if remotely at all.
. . . from where I sit.
Not a problem. Since it was sooooo secret, I had to google it up...
“Worthy Sirs, in the days of our fathers when knighthood was the strong pillar of the Church and the State, it was the custom to prepare for its duties, by years of instruction and training, those who would one day bear its obligations. None could be admitted who had not qualified themselves for the burden. Therefore, by training of body, of heart, and of mind, did the Squires of old fit themselves for the honor they sought and the duties they would undertake.
Unlike our fathers, we Knights need not strive in physical combat, but we must contend against our own weakness and indifference in order that we may live our faith so that it will be meaningful to the world in the light of the Second Vatican Council. We must contend against indifference to the sorry plight of so many of our fellow human beings. We must protect the cherished freedoms guaranteed by our civil jurisdictions and we must promote the welfare of all men. In so doing, we share in the mission of our Church and country.
Our duty to you then is to train you for Knighthood—to bring about the transformation of a man of good will. Your presence here indicates your willingness to be formed in the mind of your Church as expressed in the Second Vatican Council, to become apostolic; to observe, judge and act in the spirit of Christ. This is the mission of the Order to which you have pledged your fidelity. This has been the basic purpose and the guiding principle of the Knights of Columbus. Ever since its founding by Father Michael McGivney in 1882, it has clearly proclaimed its existence as an association of Catholic men, faithful to the Church and dedicated to four cardinal principles—charity, unity, fraternity and patriotism....
So that you may fully realize what you are asked to do, I will first recite the pledge to you: “I promise never to reveal, directly or indirectly, any of the ceremonials of this Order that are restricted to the membership, whether they occur in this or any other Council chamber, to anyone not absolutely known to me to be an equally qualified brother in good standing; it being understood, however, that I do not bind myself in any manner that might conflict with my religious or civil duties. This promise I regard as forever binding upon me on my honor as a Catholic gentleman.” You will now repeat the pledge of secrecy after me.
And? We pledge not to give away the ceremonials for the new members. Nothing of the workings which we dedicate to the Church and to society at large.
The Church Fathers were NOT protestant no matter how many big letters you post. If you were to follow the completeness of their teaching you would be 100% Catholic
You do not hold to the creeds as evidenced by your words and you have posted Trinitarian heresy.
Mark , you may not like what I post. I usually post from the word of God to support my words.. not catechisms, or church fathers or other fallible sources.. I post the direct word of God..I am sorry if Gods word offends..but that is what it is intended to do..drive men to their knees to repent
Even the devil may quote Scripture for his own purposes. I do not believe that you are an evil person, rather, driven from the Church by something evil. You have adopted a Calvinist (what denomination are you if you don't mind me asking?) mindset, so therefore your efforts in the eyes of the Reformed God are meaningless, right?
You have a lot of company hereon.
Thankfully, it mostly serves to highlight the difference between the Vatican perspectives on moi vs God's perspective. It's sooooo comforting to see how often the Vatican agents are so off the wall WRONG!
Failing to see those quotes quite saturated with sola Scriptura is predictable for those under the Vatican-Mindless-Vulcan-Mind-Meld.
Thankfully, God does NOT have THAT problem and
HE holds HIS WORD in the highest esteem . . . just as some of those early Christian writers and those Scriptures documented . . . quite contrary to modern Vatican magicstercial sheeple and serfs.
True. True.
I may still have it around somewhere. I think I made it 3/4 of the way through it decades ago.
You're just saying that because it's true.
Probably a sheep or dog or a cat will turn up with it sooner or later.
You obviously have enough left to carry on quite well as far as I’m concerned.
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