Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Catholics do not understand metaphors..that is why they are catholics
Unfriendly?
Offensive?
Do you stand behind your posts on FR?
Did others hack into your account and make those posts?
I’d be interested in seeing a comparison of how much Scripture is read in Catholic vs. Protestant worship services over a period of 2 or 3 years.
It may be defined in different ways, but it doesn't mean God takes possession of the author's hand and writes. Inspiration is not being hijacked. Inspiration is something that moves an individual to do something, an idea, or reveation, such as understanding that a word or a gesture means something beyond the obvious, etc.
Even if God's truth is perfectly revealed, it cannot be perfectly expressed in imperfect human language or understood perfectly by imperfect human reason. So, no matter how you turn it around, nothing human (language in this case) can be perfect (complete), all-encompassing, and that inlcudes the scriptural text. It can only hint at that which is (supposedly) perfect.
We're looking for facts and statements of beliefs, not excuses. Especially excuses based upon false premises.
You said something like clergy were more blessed. None of the so-called powers and not even Catherine’s quote support that. To the extent that we rely on the Pope, we rely not on him personally but on what God does through him.
By our reckoning, the first pope was a lying coward (not that I, of myself, would have done better.) Who would rely on Peter qua Peter?
As to the rest, it will have to wait until I’m at my confuser. The crackberry is not good for long posts.
Do you even have to ask? Paul. Who else!? The problem is as much Paul (who will say anything to anyone as long as they buy his ham sandwich), who uses the term politeyma, but so are the translations. The KJV (the Bible most Reformed swear by) says 'conversations' rather than 'citizenship.'
The meaning of politeyma is administration of civil affairs, the constitution of a commonwealth, the form of government and the laws of the same, or a commonwealth of citizens.
I am not sure where the KJV gets its 'conversations.' At any rate, Paul was saying that their (Christian) place is in heaven, that Christians belong in heaven (which of course is ridiculous because Christians are all supposed to live on a new earth and in a new Jerusalem, all 144,000 male virgins (lol), etc.)
But Paul goes a step further. He says that Christ will make their bodies (the bodies of Christians) glorified (that is—divine!) like his own (Phil 3:21). So, in other words all Christians will be gods? [see also Col 3:4].
This is really heavy duty Gnostic stuff which the LDS must gobble up like candy, especially since Paul is not the only one peddling it. Look at "We know that when He appears, we will be like Him" [1 John 3:2].
Of course, Jesus (based on Gospels) never taught any of this nonsense.
Try the KJV version.
I was going to ask if you told Mrs. Anne about Hacksaw’s wall of shame but see that you beat me to it!
I’m still disappointed that I haven’t made the list...
LOL!
I would think that would be more true as a factual check, or if the commentary assumes knowledge on the part of the reader that isn't there. However, I wouldn't expect a primary portion of text to serve as an explanation of an explanation of that same portion of text. If it was, it would seem that the commenter has missed his target. :) I don't know, maybe if I had an example I could see what you mean.
Good to see you again my friend.
I should have put a smiley in there. The idea was that some seminarians might cheat and just read the commentaries and skip the part where you actually read the Bible on which they are supposed to be shedding light.
The Episcopal Church doesn’t have a daily Mass Lectionary, but if you did Morning and Evening prayer you would do nearly all of Scripture, Old Testament and New, in two years. You’d get through the psalms every 7 weeks. The Sunday Eucharistic Lectionary would give you all of the Gospels (except, I think, the genealogies.)
The Sunday Lectionary of the Episcopal Church is so like that of the Catholics that I often referred to a commentary written by an Episcopalian but for Catholics.
I would guess that a lot of non-Catholic Churches don’t have an official prescribed lectionary. So a lot would depend on the pastor.
Help! The paranoids are after me!
Hey, leave the poor kids alone.
When my husband was music director for the local Methodist church, I went to mass. Afterward we’d compare the readings for both services, and many times they were the same.
You're close!
Gal 4:8 how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
1 tim 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
Gal 2:15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
There appears to be a trend among some non-liturgical Protestants to follow the lectionary. A few years ago my extended family got together for a Sunday lunch and my parents and cousins were all talking about a great sermon they'd just heard on Mary and Martha and my wife and I laughed at how odd it was that their pastor had apparently randomly chosen the same Scripture as the lectionary. Then we started comparing notes and it turned out he'd been using the readings for some time (still is as far as I know).
I've stumbled across some of their denominational web sites from time to time since then and it looks like he's not alone. At the same time there are a lot of people who are absolutely furious about it. I bumped into a blog ranting against Nazarenes using the divine office because it was pure paganism (or something, good grief who knows).
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