Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Legatus]

Actually, I’m a bit shocked at the screen name appearing under that post.

If I have ever given any indication that I accept the credibility of the pentecostal movement as I understand it, in any way, shape or form then I apologize completely.

Whether it's under the guise of Catholicism or Protestantism or whatever, I firmly believe that the whole thing from Toronto to Brownsville, from Tulsa to Heritage USA and all points in between is completely and totally without any Divine approval whatsoever. I believe it to be a movement inspired by and propagated by the demonic whether it's a self-ordained preacher slaying people "in the spirit" or a Catholic priest babbling in tongues during the Consecration. On the other hand I'm also willing to accept that the overwhelming majority of people involved are just excitable, credulous, well intentioned dupes.

What's weird is the apparent implication that I must accept your beliefs as legitimate or face the wrath of a Holy Spirit who can't find his own definite article; while you mock EVERYTHING I believe about the Church God established, outside of which there is no salvation and into which He calls all men.

So yeah, Jesse DuPlantis and his fellow travelers are either a) bombed out of their minds, b) stupid or c) willing agents of the devil himself intent on the destruction of souls. Maybe each at different times or all three at once. There might be a d) but I firmly believe without reservation that whatever d) might be it isn't "faithfully following Christ according to the light they have received" or any variation on that... period.

Truly I don't see how that's all that different from what you think about what I believe anyhow...

[Legatus]

In other words, to approve of the Catholic charismatic movement is NOT AT ALL to approve of everything every group of charismatics may do. It is assumed they will remain orthodox and keep their promises.

I probably should have read your post before I fired up the rant engines just now.

[Quix]

Thanks for asking. Happy to post the following links to his Heavenly visit narratives.

JESSE DUPLANTIS IS A FORMER ROMAN CATHOLIC,

REARED A CAJUN, LOUSIANA ROMAN CATHOLIC, IIRC.

I think he was also a well to do rock music personality at some point in his early life.

All such—as all of life—should be observed with Holy Spirit discernment.

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE GOD KIND—HIS 5 EARTH HOUR HEAVENLY VISITATION. PART 1: OF 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5DSDKisOeA

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE GOD KIND—PART 2 OF 2 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_BSi7DBmSM

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE GOD KIND—PART 1 OF 4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdkscraL2RA

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE GOD KIND—PART 2 OF 4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQENubldd2g&NR=1

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE GOD KIND—PART 3 OF 4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0N9uRZXM3E

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE GOD KIND—PART 4 OF 4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2huNuj0E5v8

JESSE DUPLANTIS VISITED HEAVEN FOR 5 EARTH HOURS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw-wM-u8-aA

[Natural Law]

"JESSE DUPLANTIS IS A FORMER ROMAN CATHOLIC,"

Proving only that with a population of over 1.2 billion there is bound to be a statistical outlier that is eight or nine sigma beyond sane.

[MarkBsnr]

There exists a hierarchy within Scripture that dictates how they relate to and support each other.

The Old Testament was a preparation for the Gospel. It was a pedagogy and a prophecy of things to come. It prophesied and presaged the work of liberation from sin which would be fulfilled in Christ.

The letters of Paul were an epilogue of the Gospels executed at the command of of Jesus to spread the Gospels. When used to communicate the message of the Gospels and to explain the Gospels they have significant meaning and importance. When used and interpreted in the absence of the Gospels they are worse than useless, they are harmful.

Everything after John is used for the purpose it was intended, nothing more.

Very well spoken. I can find no issue with or anything to add to your post.

[Quix]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

Welllllll!

I’m glad you cleared THAT up.

God have mercy.

[Legatus]

"JESSE DUPLANTIS IS A FORMER ROMAN CATHOLIC,"

Proving only that with a population of over 1.2 billion there is bound to be a statistical outlier that is eight or nine sigma beyond sane.

Actually that explains everything for me... That prize loon Benny Hinn is a "former Roman Catholic" too. It's not that there are weirdos within the Church (and BOY are there) it's that BABY IT'S COLD OUTSIDE! and anyone who willingly walks out into the cold is just asking for trouble (and usually gets it).

[Natural Law]

"Very well spoken."

Thank you. The principle of lex parsimoniae or the law of parsimony applies. The truth, like the Gospels, is beautiful in its pure simplicity when one takes them at face value. Jesus spoke in very simple clear language directed at the uneducated and the downtrodden. The Church, established by Jesus, was defined not in how it leads, but in how it serves. Those that attempt to find hidden meanings, complex and interwoven definitions do so only for their own egos.

[metmom]

Show me the scripture that says that Scripture alone is to be the only

Show us Scripture that instructs us to use anything BUT Scripture. Give us chapter and verse that we are to use tradition on equal footing with Scripture. Or that we are to use tradition at all. Surely anything so important should have and would have been clearly instructed and yet not ONE word about adding tradition to Scripture.

Catholics have been provided with plenty of Scripture to support Scripture alone. One would think that Jesus' Himself condemnation of traditions would convince Catholics or anyone for that matter, of the folly of adding tradition to Scripture, but obviously Catholics as a whole, cannot get a clue.

But here it is again for those who didn't get it the first time.

Acts 17:1-3 1When they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. 2As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ," he said.

Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

Romans 15:4 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

II Timothy 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Romans 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

[metmom]

It’s no more exaggerated than claiming that the Bible in it’s entirety is read each day at mass.

[metmom]

well priests can drink and they can chew and they go out with the “girls” who do

They also go to the races and play the ponies.

[Judith Anne]

Focusing on what another person does is often considered paranoid behavior by those of us who carry prescription pads.

Suppose an unfriendly person recorded everything YOU said that they considered offensive, and then either posted it on their profile page, or retained it in a categorical manner to haul out every time you said something else on the subject, or indeed, whenever the subject came up?

Would it be paranoid of you to have a minor issue with that?

In other words, I don't particularly like it that you have my statements, and other Catholics' statements posted on your profile page (unless you've taken them down). I do not regard that as a friendly act. And I also regard it as excessive, unhealthy interest, and as stalking-type behavior. And you are not the only non-Catholic who does that.

[Natural Law]

"Show me the scripture that says that Scripture alone is to be the only"

1 Corinthians 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 . . . stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth, or by letter.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 . . . keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 . . . when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as what it really is, the word of God . . .

1 Timothy 3:15 . . . the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

2 Timothy 1:13-14 Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me . . . guard the truth which has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us. •

2 Timothy 2:2 And what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. •

John 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book. •

John 21:25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

[Natural Law]

"It’s no more exaggerated than claiming that the Bible in it’s entirety is read each day at mass."

Or claiming anyone actually made that assertion.

[Forest Keeper]

The New Testament is treated exactly the same way: the Gospels are narratives of what Jesus said, the Epistles are inspired teachings of human authors based on those words.

But IIRC, the CCC view of what "inspired" means is 180 degrees away from how the Orthodox Church sees it. Isn't that right? My reading of the CCC allows zero error in the scriptures.

[Mad Dawg]

Jesus did not condemn tradition. He condemned “traditions of men.”. If you’re going to rely on Scripture, wouldn’t it be best to rely on the carefully read text?

Not one of those texts says “alone.”.

It seems circular to insist that the Scriptures provide warrant to Sacred Tradition on the grounds that surely something so important would have to be in the Bible. I received 6 Bibles in my life (and bought several more). I received 3 from either my parish or my bishop, 2 from god parents, and 1 from my wife. People with whom I was united in Christ brought me the Bible. They “handed it on” to me. It is a tradition and tradition certifies that it is what it is. The scriptures come to us with and in a context. The context testifies to them, and they to their context.

[Alex Murphy]

Focusing on what another person does is often considered paranoid behavior by those of us who carry prescription pads.

Tell me Doctor, what would you prescribe for such behavior? Clozapine? Professional courtesy compels me to alert you to an existing prescription for Thorazine with your patient.

[Alex Murphy]

Suppose an unfriendly person recorded everything YOU said that they considered offensive, and then either posted it on their profile page, or retained it in a categorical manner to haul out every time you said something else on the subject, or indeed, whenever the subject came up? Would it be paranoid of you to have a minor issue with that?

I see you've visited the profile pages of Petronski, Cronos, and Hacksaw. To be sure, there are more (sandyeggo and TaxachusettsMan come to mind) but they're not with us anymore.

[RnMomof7]

That is a false characterization of our teaching on the priesthood. The laywoman Catherine of Siena, and the "religious" sister Terese of Lisieux enjoyed a special intimacy with God, but one which is only proleptic. That is, all the blessed will enjoy such intimacy some day.

LOL are you saying They were CATHOLIC priests?

St Catherine of Siena said this "Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom."

We are discussing the Catholic priesthood here,not the imaginations of men

This is a critical misunderstanding. It would indeed be outrageous to suggest that clergy, by virtue of their order enjoyed more blessedness than the laity.

Wait a minute they can do sacrifices every day, call Christ down from heaven, store Him is a box, etc

Like the jewish priesthood, they have special privileges that the people do not have ..

God eliminated the priesthood , Rome over ruled God MD

[RnMomof7]

I seriously doubt that. What preacher twisted scripture badly enough to convince anyone that they are a citizen of heaven?

Paul

Philippians 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;