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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: MarkBsnr; narses; Judith Anne; Natural Law; Mad Dawg
Wow! Five verses is all we need, that's remarkable!

Do you realize how much money the Gideons would have saved if someone had explained that everything would fit on a business card?

Let's take a look:

For if thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
-- Romans 10:9

[1] Now I make known unto you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand; [2] By which also you are saved, if you hold fast after what manner I preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all, which I also received: how that Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures: [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day, according to the scriptures:
-- 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

Now, I will certainly agree that these verses are important. However, they contain NOTHING that's not in the ACTUAL Gospels and leave out a great deal that is.

To a non-believer being presented with these five verses the immediate question would almost certainly be, "WHY should I believe this? What is so special about Jesus Christ? What did He actually say?" Now, if we look at the words of Saint Paul, he himself speaks of the Gospel he has preached, he DOES NOT suggest that this is the Gospel. These are VERY IMPORTANT verses that tell us the importance of the Gospel, but they ARE NOT the Gospel.

11,381 posted on 10/14/2010 1:28:06 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: bkaycee
So really anyone can get to heaven by just living the Golden rule of Matt 25, correct?

Since I have no idea of what you mean by this - I cannot say. Follow the commands of Christ and the catechism of the Church and you should have no problem upon your Judgement. Prating that Judgement does not apply to you just might carry its own rewards...

11,382 posted on 10/14/2010 1:29:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: Cronos; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Quix; caww; 1000 silverlings
Ignatius of Antioch (AD 110)

Given the history of forged Letters used justify RCC practices it is difficult, if not impossible, to acept the truthfullness of any of the "early" letters.

For example:

Ignatius of Antioch (AD 110)

The oldest collection of the writings of St. Ignatius known to have existed was that made use of by the historian Eusebius in the first half of the fourth century, but which unfortunately is no longer extant. It was made up of the seven letters written by Ignatius whilst on his way to Rome ; These letters were addressed to the Christians

of Ephesus (Pros Ephesious);

of Magnesia (Magnesieusin);

of Tralles (Trallianois);

of Rome (Pros Romaious);

of Philadelphia (Philadelpheusin);

of Smyrna (Smyrnaiois); and

to Polycarp (Pros Polykarpon).

We find these seven mentioned not only by Eusebius (Church History III.36 ) but also by St. Jerome (De viris illust., c. xvi). Of later collections of Ignatian letters which have been preserved, the oldest is known as the "long recension". This collection, the author of which is unknown, dates from the latter part of the fourth century. It contains the seven genuine and six spurious letters, but even the genuine epistles were greatly interpolated to lend weight to the personal views of its author. For this reason they are incapable of bearing witness to the original form. The spurious letters in this recension are those that purport to be from Ignatius

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA - IGNATIUS LETTERS - FACT OR FICTION


Best to ignore all which cannot be proven as authentic.

11,383 posted on 10/14/2010 1:32:37 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Iscool
Has Jesus sat on the Throne and Judged you yet?

Yes He certainly has...

Have you mixed up your tenses yet again?

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The judgment you speak of in Matthew is future...It WILL take place and apparently you guys will be there...

Your Romans verses apply to those who are Judged to salvation. In the future. Not right now. Jesus may have made you free, but a single sin has brought you back - not by His will, but by yours.

We Christians will never see that judgment...We have been judged already...

You're a Christian now? That's not apparent by your fruit. You won't be Judged? That's not what the Bible says.

11,384 posted on 10/14/2010 1:34:36 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: MarkBsnr
The gods in Wagner's operas were pretty much the same as the Norse gods.

As I said earlier, Calvinism is a lot like Islam, they just haven't latched on to the Islamofascist notion that "heaven" has an open bar and free hookers.

11,385 posted on 10/14/2010 1:36:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Natural Law
"Does that make the Reformed either honorary or active members of the order of Goofy?"

Each is an "Alter Goofus", or is it "In Persona Goofi".

I think that it is a matter of degree. We have those using the royal We who come equipped with a book that contains all the talking points from each cartoon Goofy.

11,386 posted on 10/14/2010 1:37:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: D-fendr
You recall incorrectly.

Oh, well. One big Gotcha Investment down the tubes.

And the increasing poverty of the Calvinist mindset (not to mention their population), this has gotta hurt.

11,387 posted on 10/14/2010 1:44:28 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: Cronos; metmom; Mad Dawg; Alex Murphy; RnMomof7; Iscool; presently no screen name
And, unlike some of your groupings, we read the NT, OT in their entirety
We read The Bible in it's entirety, not excerpts

This is not factual. It is without truth. It is fiction.

You could attend Mass 7 days a week for 10 years and still not read, or have read to you, the entire Bible.

LECTIONARY STATISTICS

11,388 posted on 10/14/2010 1:45:39 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Jaded
Fr. Larry Richards charismatic speaker. He did mission week at our parish several years ago. So many people attended there were people sitting in the aisles. His Homilies are available as a podcast.

No backflips, no cartwheels, no speaking in tongues, no lightning from his earlobes, or phlegm from the lungs, no snakes or scorpions or pigs running about the stage? He'd never make it as a Pentecostal.

11,389 posted on 10/14/2010 1:46:11 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: D-fendr
The early Christians did this, listened to them read, and so it’s more similar to the medium for which they were written. It’s very different than reading them yourself, much different than cross-referencing study, just hearing the story unfold, told as it was centuries ago - worth a try for anyone interested.

Certainly. The vast majority of the Bible was written as it was spoken and to be spoken.

I just finished listening to Mark and recommend it for a start.

Thank you for the kudos. Shall I start with our Reformed brethren?

11,390 posted on 10/14/2010 1:50:13 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Cronos; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; ...
Given the history of forged Letters used justify RCC practices it is difficult, if not impossible, to acept the truthfullness of any of the "early" letters.

Do you have any instances of Catholics on here quoting from any of Ignatius of Antioch's letters other than those known to be authentic?

It's never been a secret that several letters attributed to him were almost certainly written by someone else (which is not to say they are fraudulent, just that he didn't write them). Don't get me wrong, I know full well why his Letter to the Smyrnæans would make anti-Catholics uncomfortable (after all, it speaks very matter-of-factly about the Real Presence in the Eucharist and speaks of the Catholic Church by name), but no credible historian or theologian has ever suggested that Ignatius was not the author of it.

11,391 posted on 10/14/2010 1:52:06 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Cronos; Mad Dawg; RnMomof7
Exactly -- Those posts seem to want to say that someone 2000 years later knows more about the lives and practises of Early Christians than they (the Early Christians) themselves knew and wrote about!

And the very oldest "copy" of the Didache is............how old?

Of course you know it's authentic?

11,392 posted on 10/14/2010 1:52:09 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: MarkBsnr

Point taken.

There must be a problem though, he does talk about Jesus alot. /s


11,393 posted on 10/14/2010 1:58:12 PM PDT by Jaded (Stumbling blocks ALL AROUND, some of them camouflaged well. My toes hurt, but I got past them.)
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To: Natural Law

Lol, ouch, didn’t think I needed the /s but here ya’ go “/s”.


11,394 posted on 10/14/2010 1:58:34 PM PDT by conservonator (How many times? 70 x 7!)
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To: Jaded; MarkBsnr
Does he have a jet? A pentecostal preacher just ain't doing it right if he can't afford his own jet.
11,395 posted on 10/14/2010 2:03:28 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Natural Law
Call it a Pavlovian response.

It's the natural response for most reasonable people after having to deal with FR Calvinists. One can only take so much in-your-face lying and obfuscating until every post from an unknown freeper looks suspicious.

I'd tell you not to waste you time with them but it is fun to see how creatively they can misrepresent the Church's teachings or a post by a Catholic Freeper.

11,396 posted on 10/14/2010 2:05:26 PM PDT by conservonator (How many times? 70 x 7!)
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50; narses; wagglebee; Judith Anne; Natural Law; Mad Dawg
No wonder your theology differs so significantly from Christianity.

This from a member of a church that teaches bowing down to idols, praying to the dead, works buying salvation, works of one person can be applied to another, and the continual need for grace refills. Thank you.

I'll stick with what Scripture teaches rather than the garbage taught by a bunch of fools who don't have enough sense to hold to Scripture as the rule of their faith.

11,397 posted on 10/14/2010 2:05:56 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: OLD REGGIE

I think there’s a meaningful difference between, “We have no evidence,” and “We don’t have very good evidence.”


11,398 posted on 10/14/2010 2:07:27 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Cronos; Alex Murphy; metmom; RnMomof7; Iscool; presently no screen name
time by distance and hostile nations. And, of course, to put YOPIOS on my text leads to a false interpretation of the "bible read in it's entirety at mass each day". To come to the erroneous conclusion we read the entire Bible each Sunday instead of my text which clearly points out we read from the various books of the Bible (OT, Epistles, Gospels) in their entirety rather than in excerpts.

And, of course, you accuse Alex Murphy of something he never said.

Arrogance? Ignorance? I dunno, but it certainly isn't factual.

11,399 posted on 10/14/2010 2:12:43 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Jaded
There must be a problem though, he does talk about Jesus alot. /s

He might make it in the Reformed world, except that he really appears to believe in Jesus and not in misquoted and out of context snippets of Paul.

11,400 posted on 10/14/2010 2:14:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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