Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Which Pope called the first Ecumenical Council?
How about a link to your church’s sources for religious readings...
Jesus himself tells you in the same passage that the flesh profits nothing, the Spirit and the Word gives life, and the only life He's ever talking about is spiritual.
This is the second such post on this thread.
May it stick this time. Sigh!
Unitarian Universalism (UU) draws from many sources:- Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
- Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
- Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
- Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;
- Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit.
- Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature.
These principles and sources of faith are the backbone of our religious community.
Which Pope called the first Ecumenical Council?
The First Council of Nicaea was called by the Roman Emperor Constantine, though he WAS NOT a participant. The decisions of the First Council of Nicaea are accepted by Catholic, Orthodox and nearly all mainstream Protestants. The only ones that have problems with it are these fringe sects that aren't even Christians.
However, what does this have to do with the synod that the Byzantine Emperor Constantine V called in the middle of the 8th century? This synod has NEVER been accepted by the Catholic Church, nor do I believe that it has been accepted by the Orthodox Church.
Do you understand that Rome and Constantinople are over 1000 miles apart?
Do you understand that there was already tension between the Popes and the Patriarchs of Constantinople by this time?
Do you understand that no Byzantine Emperor or Patriarch of Constantinople EVER claimed to be the Pope. A major reason for the East-West Schism is the fact that the Orthodox REJECT papal primacy.
Now, you have stated that the Byzantine Emperor controlled the Church in the middle of the 7th; however, it is acknowledged that the Popes were later in charge, so answer the following:
1. When did this transfer of authority take place?
2. At what event did this transfer take place?
3. Who was involved? Which emperor, which bishops?
4. What was the reason for this transfer? Why did the emperors want to surrender authority?
5. Why was authority given to the Bishop of Rome and not the Patriarch of Constantinople?
PaganismPagans, Wiccans, and people who follow other earth-based spiritual traditions are welcome in Unitarian Universalist congregations. Today, a significant number of our members identify with an earth/nature-centered faith. One of the religious sources of our faith is the "spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature."
Not quite.. there was no priesthood, no apostolic successions, no altars , no sacrifice, no mass, no vestments , no tabernacles.. and no bowing down before men..
Are you asking for forgiveness?
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Read the earlier post — there was pretty adequate examples from scripture and from First Century sources (the Didache and +Ireneus) —> if you think you know better about First Century Christians than they knew themselves, keep on believing it.
So an agnostic is telling us the bible is wrong..how surprising
I just wish they would read it in context instead of scattered installments
Do you know why that argument rolls right off us, why it seems senseless to us?
Are you claiming that God has never changed His mind?
Exodus 32:14
NASB So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.
RSV (Catholic Edition) And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people.
Douay Rheims And the Lord was appeased from doing the evil which he had spoken against his people.
NAB So the LORD relented in the punishment he had threatened to inflict on his people.
As a Unitarian who hasn’t attended mass, your words of sham wisdom hold as much weight as a wiccan or atheist — both fellow Unitarians.
That is utterly false. The reason is theological. The East rejects innovated doctirnes, dogmas and practices such as the filioque, papal infallibility, the concept of Purgatory, Imamculate conception, created grace, Augustinian original sin theory, Anslem's teaching of atonement, etc.
Papal Primacy is a matter of the 6th Ecumenical Council and the Orthodox subscribe to it. The issue is what that "primacy" means. To the West it means universal jurisdiction (which is in conflict with the 4th Ecumneical Council).
To the East is means primacy of honor above all, and privilege and prestige. But the East rejects an episcoopal ruler. It also rejects the innovated titles such as the "vicar" of Christ and similar things unknown to the undivided Church of the first millennium.
If you two want to watch some real pagan videos, you tube is chock full of Catholic Pentecostals jumping around, etc
UUA: Today's Reading
How To Begin (Changing Your Life)
by Rev. Dr. Forrest Church (1948-2009, Minister of Public Theology at the Unitarian Church of All Souls, New York City)
Addressing posters by name and not pinging them to that post; telling false tales and self identifying as one of the only Christians already saved utilizing the ravings of lunatic Calvin, who built on the ravings of lunatic Muhammed is very interesting Scripturally. Jesus and Paul both instruct us quite well on how to deal with the determinedly unChristian and nonChristian folks.
Now now.
You should know that when a rabid clique RC says
THIS TIME, I’m gonna take my marbles and go home . . .
they REALLLLLLLLLLLLY MEAN IT . . .
sorta . . . maybe . . .
depending on how the magicsterical wind is blowing; how much pain their digestive gases are causing; if their delivery of white hankys is late or not; whether they feel like putting on their best NURSE RACHETT costume and
REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY STOMPING OFF IN A HUFF
THIS TIME;
whether there’s been a new encyclical to support such a perspective, or not; whether there’s a suitable Proddy post they can blame it on or not;
etc. etc. etc.
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