Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
LOL! You have yet to answer a post in context.
Your assertions, your homework.
ROTFL, but if you're going to hold me to it, just make sure it's veneration and not adoration.
I have no respect whatsoever for Alex Murphy.
Oh, I'm not gone. I just think this entire thread is a complete waste of time.
Oh,
GREAT VENERABLE ARCHIVIST . . .
may all your saves be as eternal as useful;
may all your archives be backed up 7 times over;
may all your searches be quick, fruitful and painless;
may all your vivid illustrations of RC hogwash be abundantly read and applauded;
may all your proofs be air and water tight;
may all your information be on quick and easy recall;
may your faithful duties entail much reward and satisfaction;
may you have the other side in robust derision routinely;
may all who guffaw at how well you trounce the opposition never need new keyboards;
. . .
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More unsupported assertions.
now here’s an example of talking about someone and not pinging him, happens hundreds if not millions of times around here
Flamers?
If you can find two more on the thread, I’m certain that you-know-who would be grateful. That poster could not even find one.
I am quite certain that each and every one of us will answer for every word we have said. It will not be answering to you, however, nor your “archives” but to Christ Jesus. And He will be your judge as well, the same as you have judged others, and will have an archive of everything you have posted. If you read the gospels, you would know that.
NOT
but I tell you what, everytime I notice a new one I'll bring it to your attention whenever I'm here
If you mean Dr. Eckleburg, there's #two right there, and even if you don't, it still counts
and this is # 3
I did not mention to whom I was referring.
As well as things go; I am now on permanent vacation and searching full time for work.
But the vast majority of the rest of the NT (if not all of it), especially Paul's epistles serve as clarification and explanation of the Gospel books. I don't see how one can read the more specific THROUGH the (in many cases) less specific. I would have to add that when it is said that the rest of scripture must be read through the Gospels what that means to me is that it must be read through the Latin Church's interpretation of the Gospels.
Christianity began, not with the Latin Church's interpretation of anything, rather, the Jerusalem Church's interpretation of the life and teachings of Jesus and the creation of a variety of documents with which they continued the teachings. Initially there was little documentation - most Christians were illiterate, with the exception of the educated Jews and the occasional individual such as Luke - and such as it was would have been overshadowed by the Jewish oral tradition, which was among the best and most complete in the world.
Again, it seems backwards to me to interpret the less specific first, and then make the more specific conform. It seems much more natural to me to look at a given Gospel passage and if it is crystal clear then fine, but if not then look to the rest of scripture for context and clarification. All of it is God's word.
There is God's word and then there is the Word of God. Just as the Jews consider the Torah the most holy portion of the Tanakh (which Scripture says was dicated by God to Moses), and the rest of the Tanakh is commentary and histories, Christianity from the beginning considered the histories of Jesus - Luke would have used these (including Q) to construct his Gospel, along with the earlier Gospels. We consider the Word of God (Jesus) to be the pinnacle and everything else points to them and is commentary upon them. The writings of Paul are largely instructions to his flock, but they only have reflected light shining from the Gospels - they mean nothing on their own. Without the Gospels, of what use is Paul? Or Peter? Or James?
I don't understand why the CCC would need to be read through anything at all. With the scriptures we take them as we get them.
The point is how do you get them? The Lutherans get them one way; the various Reformed get them in various Reformed ways; the Methodists get them in another way; and each non denominational pastor or Baptist minister has his own interpretation as well. The Church, as outlined very greatly in Scripture, is a teaching authority, among other responsibilities. The Church is not charged with throwing snippets of Scripture into the air and having people pick up whatever they find in whatever order they find.
But with the CCC the Church authority could put anything it wanted to in there, and amend it to make things even more clear and understandable. Why didn't the Church just be plain about everything and make it a stand alone document that doesn't need interpretation? I would think one of the main purposes of the CCC was to BE an interpretation of the Bible.
The Church was charged with defining an undefineable God, and using finite language to describe an infinite God. I think that they have done quite well as far as they have. Look, it only took three centuries to more or less agree on the Canon. The Catechism is an explanation of the Faith, not a verse by verse commentary on Scripture. When the Church first started teaching, there was no NT Scripture at all. The emphasis was on teaching the Faith - Acts is very clear on that, not on Scriptural commentary. There is the one instance of Paul telling us about the Berean Jews searching the OT. Yet, we also have Peter telling us that the writings of Paul may be misunderstood; are there any other instances of Scriptural study being elevated over the teaching of the Faith? I'm not sure that I remember any.
doesn’t matter, it was somebody who didn’t get a pingy
More assertions.
I cannot believe this of the good Dr. E. I don't believe that she would be disruptive any more than I think that she would be unChristian.
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