Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Benny Hinn (the guy who says God is not 3 but 9) or Kenneth Copeland (the guy who says Adam was "God's reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself. I mean a reproduction of Himself, and in the Garden of Eden He did just that. He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even. . . . Adam is as much like God as you could get, just the same as Jesus. . . . Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh." and has told believers that "You don't have a God in you. You are one.")
LOLOL. The pomp and glitz and gaudy excess and vain idolatry that permeate Rome bares NO resemblance to the early Christian church nor the New Covenant of grace.
Rome has become what Christians were warned against.
lol. Even Paul?
Protestants understand Christ commissioned His apostles to preach the word and make disciples. And it is those disciples who are to go out and convert the world.
Nothing about any apostolic succession because there is no NEED for more apostles. We have God's word and the Holy Spirit to guide our understanding of that word. We gather together in congregations of like-minded believers to worship God in truth and love.
No "alter Christus."
God forbid.
You can also pick just about any post by MarkBsnr to read his disdain for the majority of the Bible (minus the Beatitudes which somehow he believes to be the Gospel message.)
Actually, that is almost exactly what I just said to Mark in response to his saying that the rest of scripture must be read through the Gospels. I see these ideas as conflicting. From my 10773:
Mark: We say that the Gospels are the pinnacle of God's revelation to man, and that every other revelation, including the rest of Scripture needs to be read through the Gospels.
FK: But the vast majority of the rest of the NT (if not all of it), especially Paul's epistles serve as clarification and explanation of the Gospel books. I don't see how one can read the more specific THROUGH the (in many cases) less specific. I would have to add that when it is said that the rest of scripture must be read through the Gospels what that means to me is that it must be read through the Latin Church's interpretation of the Gospels. Again, it seems backwards to me to interpret the less specific first, and then make the more specific conform. It seems much more natural to me to look at a given Gospel passage and if it is crystal clear then fine, but if not then look to the rest of scripture for context and clarification. All of it is God's word.
If the epistles elaborate, clarify, explain, etc., then it doesn't follow to me that those passages must be interpreted IN LIGHT of the passages they are supposed to be interpreting! That seems backwards.
What did Calvin's excerpt say?
Surely you can read what you posted, and no, I am not taking a pop quiz, as you are not my instructor.
Given that the God inspired scriptures speak of God sitting, walking, writing extending His hand it doesn’t seem “...at the very least, taking unwarranted liberties.”, to say He thinks. (Isa. 55:8)
He is even called a “man of war”. (Ex. 15:3)
"Each one of them is a triune being by Himself...there's nine of them" (Benny Hinn, TBN, 3rd October 1990).
"God the Father is a person separate from the Holy Ghost. Totally separate. ...Do you know that the Holy Spirit has a soul and a body separate from that of Jesus and the Father? ...God the Father then is a triune being within Himself. He's a person, He has His own Spirit, He has a soul. …A soul is my intellect. …God thinks. …separate from the Son and separate from the Holy Ghost. …God the Father is a separate individual from the Son and the Holy Ghost, who is a triune being who walks in a spirit body and He has hair…has eyes…has a mouth…has hands" (Orlando Christian Centre, Oct 13th 1990).
"Had the Holy Spirit not been with Jesus, He would have sinned" (Good Morning Holy Spirit, first edition, 1990, p135);
"Jesus knew the only way He would stop Satan is by becoming one in nature with him" (Benny Hinn, TBN, 15th December 1990).
"Adam was a super-being when God created him. ...The Scriptures declare clearly that he had dominion over the fowls of the air...which means he used to fly. ...Adam not only flew, he flew to space. He was- with one thought he would be on the moon" (Praise the Lord, TBN, 26th December 1991).
"When you were born again the Word was made flesh in you. And you became flesh of His flesh and bone of His bone. Don't tell me you have Jesus. You are everything He was and everything He is and ever shall be... Don't say, 'I have.' Say, 'I am, I am, I am, I am, I am'" (ibid.) "When you say, 'I am a Christian,' you are saying, 'I am mashiach,' in the Hebrew. I am a little messiah walking on earth, in other words. That is a shocking revelation. ...May I say it like this? You are a little god on earth running around" (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, 6th November'90)
"SO, I'M BENNY JEHOVAH!" (Spiritual warfare seminar, May 2 1990).
"Say after me: 'Within me is a God-Man.' Say it again. 'Within me is a God-Man.' [Congregation repeats.] Now, let's say even better than that. Let's say, 'I AM A GOD-MAN.' …This spirit man within me is a God-Man. …Say 'I'm born-of-heaven-God-Man. I'm a God-Man. I'm a sample of Jesus. I'm a super being'" (Praise the Lord, TBN, Dec 6 1990).
"God came to earth and touched a piece of dust and turned it into a God. …Are you a child of God? Then you're divine! Are you a child of God? Then you're not human!" (TBN, Dec 1, 1990).
"I [Jesus] loved you enough to become one of ya! And I love you enough to make you one of me!" (TBN, Dec 1 '90).
"When I stand in Christ- I am one with Him; united to Him; one spirit with Him. I am not, hear me, I AM NOT PART OF HIM, I AM HIM! THE WORD HAS BECOME FLESH IN ME!. …When my hand touches someone, it's the hand of Jesus touching somebody" (Our Position in Christ).
Gotta keep a running tab of the do's and don't's and hope the good outweighs the bad. Otherwise, how would you manage going to confession if you didn't keep a tally?
The Catholic church has made getting to heaven far too complicated.
And uncertain. Some days they're saved; some days they're not. They walk out of the confessional booth forgiven their sins; they enter the confessional booth condemned by their sins.
In/out/in/out. Even on their death bed, Roman Catholics do not have the assurance of God's grace.
You commented on the excerpt from Calvin as if you had read it. I just wondered what you thought of what you say you had read.
Check it out yourself if you don't believe it.
Baloney. You didn't "wonder" anything. Here is your statement:
What did Calvin's excerpt say?
Hence my reply.
LOL! Is it true you can’t find even THREE out of hundreds?
No, it's not. It's a cracker. Christ is spiritually-discerned in the Lord's Supper. His spiritual presence is with us. But He remains in heaven, undivided by Rome's slicing and dicing, where He sits at the right hand of His Father.
If you want to still remain a non-Christian, it's your prerogative.
What a presumptuous nasty comment. Iscool is a wonderful Christian who knows whom He has believed.
Which is more than can be said for some who seek Christ in toasted gluten.
He's not there. He has risen.
I’m not looking for them, Judith.
You are.
Yes, you have to read the New Testament — which is what is done each day in Church at mass. And, unlike some of your groupings, we read the NT, OT in their entirety — we read the Gospels, the Epistles, Revelation, we read psalms, the Pentateuch etc. all in mass —> we, Christ’s Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church ARE the New Testament Church. This is evidenced in the reading of Acts, in the writings of First Century Christians (Didache, +Ireneus etc).
So what did Calvin’s excerpt say?
Baloney. You didn't "wonder" anything.
lol. Your presuming to tell me what I did or did not wonder is against the rules.
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