Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Negative. You are wrong yet again. I have never said that neither has any other Catholic. Why do you continue to post statements that are demonstrably (and continuously demonstrated) that are untrue?
Bible-believing Christians believe all of God's word.
Since you don't believe in the Deuterocanonicals, the Gospels and James, does that mean that you are admitting that the Reformed are neither Bible-believers, nor Christians?
In your own words:
“And why should I believe you when you, unlike them, provide no evidence to support your disparaging judgments?”
Mar 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Are you saying that Mark 14 happened after Jesus died? No wonder you guys keep getting things wrong. The Reformed are so unfamiliar with the Gospels, they cannot keep the timeline straight. What a fantastic theology that each one of you guys creates in the privacy of your own home.
As spoken by the shark?
Catholics attacking anyone’s theology is an absolute riot.
“”(I’m getting a headache here ...) we realize that it is bound up with “wording”.””
I hear you.
Our finite minds can only understand thinking as either something we don’t know or something to gain knowledge,make decisions etc...on and on.
What would God think about since He knows everything including Himself?
From Aquinas..
From what has been said it is clear why our mind does not know the infinite as the divine mind does. Our mind differs from the divine mind in four respects; and they make all the difference. The first is that our mind is simply finite, the divine mind infinite. The second is that as our mind knows different things by different impressions, it cannot extend to an infinity of things, as the divine mind can. The third results in this way, that as our mind is cognisant of different things by different impressions, it cannot be actually cognisant of a multitude of things at the same time;* and thus it could not know an infinity of things except by counting them in succession, which is not the case with the divine mind, which discerns many things at once as seen by one presentation. The fourth thing is that the divine mind is cognisant of things that are and of things that are not
Now we’ve both told RnMomof7 the same thing: The New Covenant was established at the Last Supper. I don’t expect it will have any impact.
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> “This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for mamy...”
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Had his blood been shed yet?
Pitiful lack of such simple understanding!
I know... Spiritual things are spiritually understood
I have no intention in playing a game which is based on a dishonest premise.
I stated no theory!
Who called the First Ecumenical Council? Under whose "authority"?
> “From Aquinas..”
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You actually will rely on such a desperately confused source? The man was seriously mentally ill.
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I think it's safe to say that this thread has officially jumped the shark!
It sure has. The Immaculate Benny Hinn. He that is without sin, let him cast the first wig. Benny Hinn violates no Biblical commandments?
Matthew 5: But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Matthew 19: 9 I say to you, 7 whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery." 10 [His] disciples said to him, "If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry." 11 He answered, "Not all can accept [this] word, 8 but only those to whom that is granted. 12 Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage 9 for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it."
Mark 10: 6 But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female. 7 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother (and be joined to his wife), 8 and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, no human being must separate." 10 In the house the disciples again questioned him about this. 11 He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; 12 and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery."
Luke 16: 18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and the one who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.
Romans 7: 2 Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband. 3 Consequently, while her husband is alive she will be called an adulteress if she consorts with another man. But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and she is not an adulteress if she consorts with another man.
I find it interesting all of these Bible Believers (tm) that not only do not know the Gospels, but also don't know very much of the man that they try to turn into a demiurge. Perhaps Benny Hinn is indeed without sin and it is actually his hair that is infested with demons...
After that, the records just weren't there. Some Scandinavian synods still have it. And some African ones.
. Had his blood been shed yet?
Pitiful lack of such simple understanding!
Firstly, you have repeatedly piled in on the Reformed side with their lack of understanding of not only basic theology, but also agreeing with specific heresies. Secondly, you might want to go back and read exactly who posted what and in juxtaposition with what.
The proud and the ignorant say such things about many of the Saints,so I could care less what your opinion is
Your standard gibroney hasn't the authority to call a Church Council,ignore the Bishop of Rome, and have 378 Bishops attend.
Assuming the "Bishop of Rome" had sufficient authority he either would have called the Council under his "authority" or forbidden the Bishops to attend the Council called by some gibroney with no authority.
Your imaginary "Pope" didn't exist.
Do not ping me any more.
But, but, but I'm a Unitarian.
So you would agree that 99% of the Gospels are Old Covenant.. now one more hurdle.. Covenants were sealed in blood...Tha participants of a covenant used to cut an animal in half, then they would walk together between the sliced animal ..that is where the saying came "cutting a covenant"
All covenants had to be sealed with blood. The Mosaic Covenant was sealed with the sprinkling of the blood of animals (Exodus 24). The New Covenant of Jesus was sealed by his blood (Hebrews 9:15f).
The new Covenant became sealed by God at the cross
Specious reasoning. The Gospels are the story of the New Covenant. Further, I find it difficult to agree with anyone who thinks her deceased Catholic relatives went to hell simply for being Catholic. Therefore, we have nothing to talk about. Pinging me will only lead to more unpleasantness. I recommend against it.
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