Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I’m not sure if the answer is in your reply.
Just to be clear, does “As it stands, regarding the Trinity, the “quotation” you provided is gibberish” mean you the quotation shows an incorrect understanding of the Trinity?
Just to be clear, does "As it stands, regarding the Trinity, the "quotation" you provided is gibberish" mean you the quotation shows an incorrect understanding of the Trinity?
I take exception to your statement that Mark Bsnr’s post 10434 is gibberish.
Actually, it doesn't take a paragraph...
"Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands." -- Micah 5:13
"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people." -- 2 Corinthians 6:16 "I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them." -- Isaiah 48:5
lol. Why?
Frankly I wonder if you have forgotten what you called gibberish, and needed someone to point it out to you. In your post 10437, you called Mark Bsnr’s post 10434 “gibberish.”
If and when you choose to give up the games and get around to actually being able to discuss a topic, you let us know.
lol. Because.
Yes, and why do you take exception to the fact I called Mark’s post gibberish?
I really don’t have a problem with catholics having various opinions about Rome...but The Vatican might have something to say about it if they vere off from their direction I would think.
Protestants differ as well....so did the Apostles from time to time..and certainly the Jewish leaders differed in their day. And all the faiths do seem to differ from within their denominsations and or various bodies.
What I do have a problem with are the contridictions between Rome and what we see posted. If Rome is infalliable in the Popes position and the teachings from them....then if catholics go their own way yet claim they adhere to Romes teachings and what the Popes declare..then either Rome is wrong or the Bishops over their churches are.
Thanks for proving my point. You appear not to know what’s being discussed. You just offer your negation...of something. Not sure of what.
Hmmmm....making it personal AGAIN, I see.
I'm sorry, you do remember your statement: "Until you can show us "on this thread" where the "reformed" have an incorrect understanding of the Trinity.."
I nominated "Jesus body carried God."
You called it gibberish.
I'm trying to determine now if that means you consider it as qualifying under the conditions of your challenge.
This is the topic I'm discussing.
Well, I actually DO know what WAS being discussed. If you have forgotten that, as well as the post you called gibberish, please let me know, and I’ll be happy to refresh your memory.
Sorry, should have pinged you to the previous.
LOLROTF...this is hysterical..everybodies arguing about “gibberish”. I’m laughing so hard my side hurts!
>Once again, as I said before, I take exception to your statement that Mark Bsnr’s post 10434 is gibberish. If you have forgotten his post, I encourage you to refresh your memory.
I nominated "Jesus body carried God."
And I asked you to give us evidence where any "reformed" made that statement regarding the Trinity.
Debating hypotheticals is one thing. Debating fiction is quite another.
Why do you take exception to it? What are you agreeing with that Mark said? What did Mark write that is not gibberish?
Apparently this is just a general "me, too" without knowing what's being discussed.
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