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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: roamer_1; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
Nope.
'Just'
the
[UNLIMITED]
power
of
the
cleansing Blood of Jesus,
the Holy Spirit,
and the Good Book
...
That's all
that is necessary.
.
.
.
in contrast
to
the
Roman Catholic
fossilized
edifice
&
Vatican
INSTITUTION
. . .
which
is
centuries
long
practiced
in
the
black
arts
of
2 Timothy 3:5
Having
a
form
of godliness,
but
denying
the power
thereof:
from such,
turn away.
.
.
.
. . .
Having a
BURREAUCRATICALLY
magicsterically
MANDATED
AND
AUTHORITARIANLY
POWER-MONGERS
MANAGED
RITUALIZED
POMP AND PRANCING
FORM
OF
GODLINESS
. . .
FROM
SUCH
TURN
AWAY!

641 posted on 08/09/2010 7:37:46 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: narses

What a HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!
OF AN
ASSERTION!

642 posted on 08/09/2010 7:40:08 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Iscool

The Catholic Church would rather Jesus Christ remain the VICTIM, instead of the VICTOR He is. Just as the members of that religion are VICTIMS, slaves to the authority of traditions and doctrines of men. And not VICTORIOUS through the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST.


643 posted on 08/09/2010 7:41:17 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: presently no screen name

Yep. God is the only Father, Jesus is the only Master and everyone else is brethren. There are NO ‘religious hierarchy’ in HIS CHURCH.

INDEED.

NO LORDING IT OVER ANOTHER

ALL SERVANTS OF ONE ANOTHER

PREFERRING ONE ANOTHER.


644 posted on 08/09/2010 7:41:33 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: metmom

John 6:53-58

53 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

54 Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

Christ seems to disagree with your assertion about the Eucharist.


645 posted on 08/09/2010 7:43:42 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: presently no screen name
You read the post:

"Yes, that's right -- all these fringe Pentecostal (except Assemblies of God), Baptist etc. groups have NOTHING to offer.

"Even the fire-worshippers from which you should escape, they have nothing to offer Christianity so we in Christ's One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church won't waste time with them when we can talk to the Traditional Lutherans, Anglicans etc."

Since it is always these groups that are said to have nothing to offer that are doing most of the offering in my neighboorhood (I mean the people who witness and try to win people to Christ are from among those groups) . . . .

Have you ever considered what it would be like if individual common Roman Catholics were to ever decide to go out and preach the Gospel and win people to Christ?

I'm going to guess that most of them would depart the (so-called) "One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church" within 30 days of personal evangelism efforts.

646 posted on 08/09/2010 7:56:04 AM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: Cronos; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
FROM:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2566995/posts

For They Heard Them Speaking in Tongues & Praising God Acts 10:46 [Missionary experience, bk]

Bk: From The Field: 365 Missionary Stories to Encourage Your Daily Walk p125 | 2002 | Dr Leland Edwards

Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2010 5:45:32 PM by Quix

FOR THEY HEARD THEM SPEAKING IN TONGUES AND PRAISING GOD! ACTS 10:46

The train from Colon, Panama, brought several passengers to the village of Frijoles one Sunday morning. Many had heard of the miracles of God in this church and came for physical healing. One was an elderly woman known as Mama Mecha.

That morning Mama Mecha received Jesus as her Savior. After the service, the congregation went to the inlet of Gatun Lake, which is a short distance from the church, to baptize the new converts. Her testimony of her conversion that morning stirred many hearts.

As Mama Mecha came up out of the water, she lifted her hands in praise to the Lord, and suddenly she began to speak in another tongue. Standing in the crowd was a man from Spain. He had been an archeologist in Egypt for several years and also served as a Roman Catholic priest in Spain and Panama.

Late that afternoon, while on the train returning to Panama City, he said to missionary Arthur Edwards, "After her baptism, that elderly woman spoke in an ancient Egyptian language and quoted a psalm of praise from the Old Testament. There is no way she could even speak one word of that language which I learned in my work as an archeologist in Egypt. That had to be God."

Dr Leland Edwards
Former Missionary to Panama
Missions Director, 1965-1988

Lord, I think you for giving me a prayer language. Let me use my gift to glorify you. . .

.
.
.
in contrast
to
the
Roman Catholic
fossilized
edifice
&
Vatican
INSTITUTION
. . .
which
is
centuries
long
practiced
in
the
black
arts
of
Having
a
form
of godliness,
but
denying
the power
thereof:
from such,
turn away.

2 Timothy 3:5
.
.
.
. . .
Having a
BURREAUCRATICALLY
magicsterically
MANDATED
AND
AUTHORITARIANLY
POWER-MONGERS
MANAGED
RITUALIZED
POMP AND PRANCING
FORM
OF
GODLINESS
. . .
FROM
SUCH
TURN
AWAY!


647 posted on 08/09/2010 7:56:24 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: John Leland 1789

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS!


648 posted on 08/09/2010 7:58:22 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos

What a
HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!
OF AN
ASSERTION!

649 posted on 08/09/2010 7:59:53 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: roamer_1

Christ set forth His Church with servants in place of glorified, set-apart priests and teachers. There is no hierarchy among believers... And what hierarchy is there is a matter of service, not authority.

In that service IS the authority.

You know, the handful of people I know to be a true, spirit-filled servants of God are self-deprecating in the face of honors being bestowed upon them.

And they are also the ones who speak with the most authority. It exudes from them as real power. Yet these are always humble and living quietly - with no pomp or circumstance.

They would be dismayed and embarrassed by any such honors. Every one of them would send such things on to the Father, or to Christ, where such things belong.


INDEED.


650 posted on 08/09/2010 8:01:33 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: John Leland 1789

Got any idea what his point is? Why doesn’t he ask, “Do you preach Christ and Him crucified?”


AMEN!


651 posted on 08/09/2010 8:02:56 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: TheStickman
LAF is fully prepared to go to war against the US's closest ally in the region,

Now why don't you bring that up when one of your own does it???

652 posted on 08/09/2010 8:04:07 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: John Leland 1789; presently no screen name
Have you ever considered what it would be like if individual common Roman Catholics were to ever decide to go out and preach the Gospel and win people to Christ?

A Bible.

As opposed to

squeak...squeak...ding dong.."hello, I am here to talk to you about Jesus..just a moment...let me dig through my cart..here...here is the first point I would like to make..no..wait..it's in another book..let's see..looking...looking...(SLAM)...oh well, on to the next door"...squeak...squeak...

653 posted on 08/09/2010 8:04:32 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: metmom
Again, your flawed interpretation of scripture has been found wanting. His words “It is Finished” refers to His earthy existence and its attendant physical suffering. This physical suffering pales in comparison to the spiritual agony encountered with the commission of sin. Your antiseptic Jesus, which blithely ignores both His physical and spiritual suffering, demonstrates the sinful and prideful arrogance which is the inheritance of your father the father of all lies.
654 posted on 08/09/2010 8:05:17 AM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: roamer_1; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

One wonders how it is for those that don’t see Him working in their lives. I would not trade that intimacy for all the cathedrals in the world.


INDEED.

BTW,

I wonder . . . how soon do you think the Anninais and Saphira incidents are going to dramatically increase?

I’ve been expecting that for some time . . . Not quite yet it seems . . . yet, I think it could break out most any day—probably with the next great push of Holy Spirit . . . in the midst of great revival in the midst of great chaos and suffering.

Pomp and circumstance and prancing about vain gloriously by some will be stopped very short very dramatically. NO MORE prancing about in pomp and circumstance for such individuals whether high and mighty or just perverse and contrary.


655 posted on 08/09/2010 8:06:13 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: presently no screen name

It goes in the circular file. If they wanted Truth, they would have it by now.

Thanks for sharing - I enjoyed reading every bit of it. You truly have a blessed blessed family and are a blessing to others.


AMEN! AMEN!


656 posted on 08/09/2010 8:07:05 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: presently no screen name; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

MOST WELCOME.

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS.

BTW, Y’all,

Joya and company should be arriving at I-HOP in Kansas City today for a week or so.

Please pray that God blesses their socks off!


657 posted on 08/09/2010 8:09:35 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cvengr; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ...
The more
---I---
study
[and am slapped up-side the head by]
the RCC,
the more
---I---
WITNESS
OBSERVE
DOCUMENT
a grouping
of people
DEVOTED
to
"anything but Christ”
in their
thinking,
!!!TRADITIONS!!!
and
object[S]
of
devotion.
[Quixicated version]

658 posted on 08/09/2010 8:17:17 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: verga

What a
HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!
OF AN
ASSERTION!

659 posted on 08/09/2010 8:18:22 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: bronx2; metmom
"It is finished". 16 things that were finished.

1. Fulfillment of all scriptures of the sufferings of Christ. 2. Defeat of Satan. 3. Breaking down of the middle wall of partition to make Jews and Gentiles one. 4. Way for personal access to God. 5. Cancellation of the reign of death. 6. Cancellation of sin's power. 7. Demonstration of obedience and love to death. 8. Perfection of Christ. 9. Salvation from all sin. 10. Making of peace between God and man. 11. Death penalty paid for all. 12. Cancellation of the mortgage claim of Satan and freeing of man and his dominion from sin and Satan. 13. Satisfaction of the full justice of God. 14. Bodily healing for all. 15. A way for the full enduement of power and full annointment of the Holy Spirit. 16. Blotting out of the Old Covenant and making and sealing of the New Covenant.

660 posted on 08/09/2010 8:19:06 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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